Thursday, June 30, 2005
Bulle P90 Magazine Pouch, Black
Bulle P90 Magazine Pouch, Black: "Our own production, especially designed to carry two P90 magazines per pouch in a convenient, low-profile format. The pouch is so designed to allow for the quick withdrawal of single magazines one at a time, by containing a single magazine in each of the two pockets. Pouches open quickly and quietly with genuine issue Spanish fly-type openers, eliminating the slow and clumsy operation associated with fastex buckles and the loudness of velcro closers. Pouches are designed to eliminate possibility of loss of magazines by enclosing over two thirds of the length of the magazine. Magazine pouch has a semi-rigid backing to help keep the pouch in shape for better stability without adding much to the overall weight of the pouch and each pocket has a rivetted drainage hole at the bottom for good ventilation. Pouches are designed to be able to be worn straight onto a belt, as well as clipped to the belt with the aid of webbing adapter plates or Alice clips. Each pouch is made in Germany to the highest standards using only genuine military cordura which is internally waterproofed and coated with an IRR resistant compound. "
Wednesday, June 29, 2005
Tuesday, June 28, 2005
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A 'PRIMER' ON CARTRIDGES
© Anthony G Williams
with thanks to Nelson H. Lawry for comments
Adapted from 'Rapid Fire: the Development of Automatic Cannon, Heavy Machine Guns and their Ammunition for Armies Navies and Air Forces', with additional information from 'Assault Rifle: the Development of the Military Rifle and its Ammunition since World War 2' .
The purpose of this article is to answer some of the questions which are always asked by people as they become interested in cartridges and want to learn about them. It consists of a basic guide to cartridges including their design, naming conventions and projectile types. The emphasis is on military cartridges, but some civilian terms and examples are included.
Having absorbed this article, the next stage should be to read the ones on Basic Ballistics and The Search for High Velocity. Many of the larger cartridges are illustrated in the Ammunition Photo Gallery and data are provided in the Ammunition Data Tables. Other terms which you don't recognise may be identified from the Glossary. All of these are on this website.
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© Anthony G Williams
with thanks to Nelson H. Lawry for comments
Adapted from 'Rapid Fire: the Development of Automatic Cannon, Heavy Machine Guns and their Ammunition for Armies Navies and Air Forces', with additional information from 'Assault Rifle: the Development of the Military Rifle and its Ammunition since World War 2' .
The purpose of this article is to answer some of the questions which are always asked by people as they become interested in cartridges and want to learn about them. It consists of a basic guide to cartridges including their design, naming conventions and projectile types. The emphasis is on military cartridges, but some civilian terms and examples are included.
Having absorbed this article, the next stage should be to read the ones on Basic Ballistics and The Search for High Velocity. Many of the larger cartridges are illustrated in the Ammunition Photo Gallery and data are provided in the Ammunition Data Tables. Other terms which you don't recognise may be identified from the Glossary. All of these are on this website.
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HP handguns - Excellent summary/recap
HP handguns
High-penetration handguns
( note: the specifications are in the data table ! )
The high-penetration handguns that I present here are all pistols and machine pistols, but not some Magnum and other high-power handguns for non-military users. I’ve split them up in four categories;
calibre of less than 6 mm and high bullet velocity (SCHV)
calibre of less than 6 mm and normal bullet velocity
9 x 21 mm calibre
9 x 18 mm and 9 x 19 mm (‘normal’) calibres
a 10 mm PDW project
All of them use some harder metals than lead for great parts of the bullets in order to achieve high penetration properties. All of them seem to be able to penetrate at least level II body armour. Interestingly, the fourth category cartridges shows that normal handguns can be converted to high-penetration handguns - and by using SLAP (Sabot) cartridges, normal 9 mm and .45ACP handguns could even fire small-calibre bullets at high velocity. Their rifling would be suboptimal for this ammo, but it would function. It should be noted that the HK MP5F is a variant of the proven SMG that can use the ‘hottest’ 9x19mm cartridges, especially useful for possible later use of high-penetration ammo.
The examples of normal calibre are less dubious in their wound ballistics than the smaller calibres, although a 9 mm AP bullet is very likely to have less wounding capability than soft lead or even non-military hollowpoint bullets of the same calibre do.
The military utility of these pistols is not really obvious; although they’re capable of penetrating light body armour, their practical range is usually more limited by the weapon’s design than by bullet performance. Few of these handguns have any specials like fore grips, folding/removable buttstocks, laser pointer, red dot sight or compensator, therefore are the hit chances in combat not impressive beyond 25 m. Under combat stress, most of them might prove quite useless to their users in all but the closest distances, just like normal pistols. Their best use is probably as backup weapons in a comfortable quick draw holster with one magazine each in weapon and holster - but the heavier examples are unsuitable for this.
Anyway, I do present them here because the requirement to defeat soft body armour was such a prominent part of the PDW process and after all, it is primarily the belief in the inability of pistols and submachineguns to defeat light body armour that lead to the PDW. Note that any external and terminal ballistic performance that can be achieved by these weapons could as well be achieved (and more) by a full-size submachinegun that’s of comparable compactness as the most famous PDW, the FN P90.
SCHV - small calibre, high velocity handguns
The first of my categories of high-penetration handguns are the small calibre high velocity handguns. While their larger cousins can at least claim to have the sights and stability for controlled fire bursts on/in the target and therefore the ability to place many hits in short time into the enemy, these pistol-like weapons are less likely to compensate their supposed lack of single bullet wounding effect with a superior count of hits.
.224 BOZ pistol
This is rather an ammunition development than a pistol project - seemingly, they started with a Colt Delta Elite as Basis for this and now use a Glock 20. Both pistols are originally 10mm Auto handguns - the .224 BOZ cartridge is a necked-down 10mm Auto and should therefore fit well except in the barrel. The new barrels seem to have 5,5” or 6,5” length (140 or 165 mm) and are therefore longer than a standard Glock 20 barrel - that’s clearly visible. The overall approach is interesting; some 10mm Auto-chambered weapons are available including members of widespread and successful weapon families like the Glock 20 and HK MP5/10. The use of a (in comparison to FN’s and HK’s bullets) heavy 5.56mm bullet that’s compatible or identical to 5.56 x 45 mm weapons (kind of M193) is both pro and contra argument. This bullet will strike slower than usual when fired from an assault rifle and is therefore likely suboptimal for this job. Otherwise, these bullets are in production and are heavier than most other PDW bullets! The developers claim that DERA (UK) has tested the cartridge.
http://www.civil-defence.org/products/ballistics/boz224/ppw.html
Colt SCAMP
The SCAMP (Small Caliber Machine Pistol) was developed to be a worthy successor for the Colt Model 1911 Government (that has the impressive calibre of .45ACP). Just like this, the SCAMP machine pistol was rather large but would have given its user full-auto fire or a three-round burst of soft body armour penetrating small calibre high-velocity bullets (only the Tuma mte .224 VA bullets seem to be faster in this category!). Note its compensator against muzzle climb and the lack of buttstock and fore grip. The cartridge’s effective range with the SCAMP’s long barrel likely outperformed the weapon’s practical range. It’s also beyond my understanding why a high-velocity weapon with insufficient ergonomics for 100 m (for example) would need windage-adjustable sights.
www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/scamp.pdf
FN Five-seveN
The FN Five-seveN is the little brother of the FN P90, firing the same cartridge. So far, this self-loading pistol seems to be less famous and commercially successful than the P-90. Its best properties are lightweight (744 g loaded), high magazine capacity (20) and of course the penetration (CRISAT). Available for some years, it will soon have a new rival in the HK UCP / P46. This weapon certainly does not need much of an description here because it’s well-documented in the internet:
www.FNHerstal.com/html/index.htm
www.world.guns.ru/smg/smg59-e.htm
www.remtek.com/arms/fn/57/index.htm
www.fnhusa.com/contents/hg_fiveseven.htm
users.belgacom.net/jm.armes/FN-FS/F-S_menu.htm (in French)
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1599.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1600/1679.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2300/2367.htm
HK NBW (sometimes incorrectly called “G11 PDW”)
This is a kind of little brother of the famous assault rifle (project) for caseless cartridges, the German HK G11. The G11 assault rifle was in the process of being adopted when the Cold War ended and was then cancelled together with a light machinegun project with the same cartridge and this pistol-like “Nahbereichswaffe” (German: ‘close-in weapon’). It’s said that prototype cartridges (different ones than the G11 cartridges) were produced but the weapon itself did not advance beyond mock-up stage. The comparison with the contemporary HK design presented directly below is interesting; this mock-up for a caseless cartridge gun doesn’t seem to be designed with the same intentions about ergonomics; maybe the NBW picture doesn’t look at all like the weapon would have looked if fully develeoped. The conventional MP7 (PDW), G36 (assault rifle)and MG4 (light machinegun) were developed for and adopted by the Bundeswehr instead of the caseless cartridge weapons family.
www.hkpro.com/g11pdw.htm
DWJ 8/2004 issue
HK project in 1989 in 5.7 x 22 mm GIAT (exact name unknown to me)
This seems to have been the conventional counterpart of the HK NBW above - it used the later abandoned 5.7x22 mm calibre by GIAT. That was a new cartridge resembling a 7.62 x 22 mm Luger round necked down to .22 caliber. But this calibre was abandoned when GIAT became parent company of FN and FN had both a more powerful PDW calibre with its 5.7 x 28mm as well as more mature weapon designs for it. The front sight of this weapon confuses me; it doesn’t seem to be designed for greater than pistol ranges - otherwise its radius could easily be enlarged by a more forward fore sight. This project/study is dead now and I’m even not sure whether there was ever a prototype. Note that the “5.7 x 22 mm” calibre info could be wrong because GIAT’s own PDW project of the time was according to Jane’s in 5.7 x 25 mm.
DWJ 8/2004 issue
HK UCP / P46
The small brother of the MP7. A brochure of the UCP was seemingly shown at the MILIPOL 2003 expo in Paris (which I’m still trying to get...) and a graphic of it is part of a Heckler & Koch advertisement on the cover of Jane’s Infantry Weapons 2004-2005, but this pistol doesn’t seem to have been officially launched yet. Superficially, it seems to be a very close rival to the FN Five-seveN.
www.hkpro.com/p46.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2794.htm (obsolete photo)
Leitner-Wise LW70S pistol
This pistol seems to be in development for a 7.82S x 24 mm cartridge with a normal commercial 55 or 62 grains 5.56 mm bullet held by sabots. The sabot arrangements promises a comparably high muzzle velocity despite a short barrel, but the cartridge seems to be primarily defined for a full-size PDW (LW15S CAW), not for a pistol. This might be a disadvantage for the pistol due to (probably) strong muzzle flash and noise.
www.leitner-wise.com/products/82s.htm
NORINCO SFQ 5,8 / Chang Feng
The early version of the Chang Feng submachinegun was in a 5.8 x 21 mm calibre and quite complicated. Telescoping buttstock and some kind of fore grip might give this one decent hit chances at good SMG ranges. It seems as if the really extraordinary feature was the use of two magazines at once; a normal one in the grip and a high-capacity helical magazine as known by Calico weapons and Russian PP-90M1 submachinegun. That would outperform even the magazine capacity of the FN P90. The Chinese do also have a variant of the Type 85 submachinegun in the 5.8 x 21 mm calibre. It seems as if this gun was cancelled in favor of a less complicated design with standard calibre.
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2800/2802.htm
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg74-e.htm
NORINCO QSZ-92-5.8
The Chinese either don’t seem to want their weapons become famous or they are lousy in marketing. Anyway, it’s difficult to find out much about this weapon. It’s said to be in service with the PLA at least for trials. Its muzzle energy is rather low, and it has difficulty to qualify for this category.
www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/pistol.asp
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg122-e.htm
www.edu.cn/20011211/3013568.shtml (in Chinese. This text exists at different places in the internet.)
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2796.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2797.htm
Norinco Type 05
This 5.8 x 21 mm submachinegun seems the primary variant for the Chinese military while a 9mm version is for police use and foreign sales.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg75-e.htm
Tuma mte .224 VA
The Tuma mte .224 VA is a machine pistol (the mte .224 V is a self-loading pistol) of the small Swiss weapons design corporation Tuma Engineering. It’s quite comparable to the other modern guns in this category, but it’s seemingly the most powerful concerning muzzle energy (.224 BOZ’ muzzle energy is likely close or better, but unknown to me). It has even more muzzle energy than the two most famous “NATO PDWs” HK MP7 A1 and FN P90. A magazine holder in the front can act as fore grip, but doesn’t seem to be compatible with a normal holster. The fashionable tactical lights and silencer extras are also for this weapon available.
www.mtuma.ch/sites/content/mte224V.htm
www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/mte224va.html (in German)
www.geocities.com/personaldefenceweapons/Tuma/Tuma1.jpg (high-quality photo)
www.geocities.com/personaldefenceweapons/Tuma/Tuma2.jpg (high-quality photo)
www.geocities.com/personaldefenceweapons/Tuma/Tuma3.jpg (high-quality photo)
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1100/1149.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1600/1626.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2800/2858.htm
Small calibre, normal pistol bullet velocity - this category is both old and difficult to understand.
Despite soft body armour penetration capability, these are in my humble opinion definately no weapons for use as PDW. Their stopping power and practical range doesn’t elevate them above normal 9 x 19 mm pistols. But they’re interesting because they demonstrate the penetration potential of even slow small-calibre bullets.
KBP OTs-23 “Drotik” (Javelin) / SBZ
As differences to the earlier PSM, this is a machine-pistol with an astonishing magazine capacity of no less than 24 cartridges, completely in the hand grip. The three-round bursts are extremely fast with 1800 rpm and despite this burst fire capability and the small calibre (5.45mm), this pistol looks - normal. The multi-hit chance for a burst should at least partially compensate for the dubious wounding potential of the bullet. The weapon has a muzzle compensator and an interesting detail is an external indicator that allows the user to determine by touching it how many rounds are left in the magazine.
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2140.htm
KBP PSM
This weapon is rather a pocket pistol that surprisingly is able to defeat strong soft body armour. A toy for high-ranking officers and both small and light enough not to be noticed often when worn. It uses the same cartridge with Spitzer bullet like the Drotik.
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg23-e.htm
9 x 21 mm calibre weapons
Their soft body armour penetration is awesome in comparison to the performance of normal 9 x 19 mm bullets, but the price is that the 9 x 21 mm pistol is quite heavy. Western sports shooters have used calibres like 9 x 22 mm to beef up in comparison to the old 9 x 19 mm weapons - but such cartridges did not become standard. The 10mm Auto cartridge is also much more powerful than 9 x 19 mm (primarily in wounding effect, AP bullets are uncommon or non-existant in this calibre). It was selected by the FBI and weapons like the MP5 were modified for 10mm Auto. But it didn’t become one of the standard cartridges. The same so far happened to the 9 x 21 mm cartridge - it seems as if the 9 x 18 mm AP cartridge is more successful.
Rex Firearms Gepard / PP-SShS in 9 x 21 mm
The Gepard is described elsewhere as a 9 x 30 mm calibre weapon. It was tested with 9 x 21 mm, too. That’s potentially advantageous for the ergonomy of the hand grip and might allow a shorter barrel...
Serdyukov SPS / P-9 “Gyurza” (Snake or Viper, also written Gurza) / Vector SR-1
There’s surprisingly little to say about this weapon; you need a vest class higher than normal against pistols to protect against its bullet, that’s besides an unconventional safety arrangement the only remarkable detail of this gun.
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm
Tsniitochmash SR-2
Despite it fires a pistol cartridge and can be categorized as machine-pistol, this gun has a gas-operated rotary locking mechanism. It doesn’t seem to be advisable to stabilise it with the weak hand below the handguard because there’s no protection against sliding forward to the muzzle. With a folding fore grip, it would be much better.
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2214.htm
I’d also like to present some examples for the normal calibre breed of high-penetration handguns - interestingly, they’re all Russian.
This doesn’t need to be like that - it seems as if the fear of ‘copkiller’ ammunition distribution prevented the use of such cartridges in the western world. They are available!
6P35 “Grach” / PYa / Pistolet Yarygina
This seems to be a good, modern self-loading pistol for hot armour-piercing cartridges. It has a very good magazine capacity, the cartridge-typical good armour penetration and an easily acceptable weight. Finally, it’s entering service in the Russian military and other Russian institutions.
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg50-e.htm
KBP GSh-18
The GSh-18 is a modern and lightweight pistol that seems to be quite similar to the Glock series in that it has no external safety. It’s compatible with 9 x 19mm Parabellum cartridges but deserves its entry here with the hardened steel core bullets of the 9 x 19 mm 7H31 cartridge with its astonishing claimed penetration. It’s likely that this pistol has lost out to 6P35 “Grach” and Vektor SR-1 - the competition among Russian high-penetration handguns is fierce with so many designs at one time in one country with such defence budget problems.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/gsh18.htm
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg111-e.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2141.htm
KBP OTs-02 “Kiparis” (Cypress) / TKB-0217
This weapon is located at the upper edge of the machine pistol segment. It has been issued to Russian police special forces (which seem to get a lot of different new weapons) and uses the same cartridges and is from the same manufacturer as the KBP PP-93. Every source seems to state another range of rate of fire for this weapon...
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/ots02.htm
world.guns.ru/smg/smg04-e.htm
KBP OTs-27 “Berdysh” (pole-axe) / PSA
Just one seemingly unspectacular self-loading pistol more. Except that it can handle the same 9 x 18 mm 57-N-181SM armour-piercing cartridge as Pernach, Kiparis and PP-93, too. And the magazine has a very good capacity. Seems to be in use with some Russian police units.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/ots27.htm
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg138-e.htm
KBP OTs-33 “Pernach” (multivaned mace) / SBZ-2
A machine pistol with moderate weight, ability to handle hot AP cartridges, good magazine capacity and limited use in Russian OMON special units. Notable is also that it’s simpler to produce than the ‘predecessor’ APS. The buttstock promises to increase the practical range in comparison to normal pistols.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/ots33.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2900/2907.htm
KBP PP-90M1
This submachinegun is relevant for its large helical high-capacity magazine and for its ability to use 9 x 19mm AP bullets (7N21 and 7N31). Ergonomically, it seems to be terrible.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/pp90m1.htm
world.guns.ru/smg/smg59-e.htm
KBP PP-93
This rather good-looking weapon is located at the upper edge of machine pistols. The combination of heavy weight, buttstock and comparably low rate of fire promises that this machine pistol is more controllable than many others are. The penetration should at least be useful in law enforcement against soft vehicles and I guess it’s able to defeat Level III-a soft body armour (30 layers Kevlar® 129).
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/pp93.htm
world.guns.ru/smg/smg58-e.htm
KBP PP-2000
The KBP PP-2000 is a very new weapon with several highly uncommon features. The most obvious unusual feature is the combined fore grip/trigger guard. But the shoulder stock in form of a long magazine is also pretty unusual if not unique. It’s here because it can use hot 7N31 cartridges with enhanced vest piercing capability.
world.guns.ru/smg/smg61-e.htm
10mm PDW project of Arm West
This is a development project - but I take it seriously because the well-known L. James Sullivan is the designer. It will as it seems result in pistol and machine pistol for a 10mm light AP bullet design for combat ranges up to 100m.
www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632, Soldiertech_HK,,00.html
www.defensereview.com/crane1/Arm%20West%20PDW_Pistol%20Version.jpg
www.defensereview.com/crane1/Arm%20West%20PDW_Shoulder%20Weapon%20Version_Retracted-spec.jpg
www.defensereview.com/crane1/Arm%20West%20PDW_Shoulder%20Weapon%20Version_Extended.jpg
Stan Crist’s PDW (conversion) proposal
Finally, I want to draw your attention to an article written by a friend of mine. It was published by the U.S. ARMOR magazine in 2001. Basically, he argued for a conversion of the existing M9 (Beretta 92) pistols in U.S. service for lengthened barrel, telescoping buttstock and 9 x 19 mm AP cartridges to enable the weapon to defeat light body armour and to enable the user to hit targets farther away. I consider this as one of the very rare examples of a pistol-to-PDW conversion proposal. Key to enhanced penetration are AP cartridges, another hint that western 9 x 19 mm systems still have some potential.
I’m not aware of any such or similar conversions, but the cost of the British SA-80 assault rifle conversion/upgrade seems to indicate that it’s likely more advantageous to put the pistols into war reserve and purchase new weapons instead of an upgrade. But the Pentagon’s practices are obscure enough that this argument is not necessarily relevant there.
www.knox.army.mil/center/ocoa/armormag/nd01/6pdw01.pdf
High-penetration handguns
( note: the specifications are in the data table ! )
The high-penetration handguns that I present here are all pistols and machine pistols, but not some Magnum and other high-power handguns for non-military users. I’ve split them up in four categories;
calibre of less than 6 mm and high bullet velocity (SCHV)
calibre of less than 6 mm and normal bullet velocity
9 x 21 mm calibre
9 x 18 mm and 9 x 19 mm (‘normal’) calibres
a 10 mm PDW project
All of them use some harder metals than lead for great parts of the bullets in order to achieve high penetration properties. All of them seem to be able to penetrate at least level II body armour. Interestingly, the fourth category cartridges shows that normal handguns can be converted to high-penetration handguns - and by using SLAP (Sabot) cartridges, normal 9 mm and .45ACP handguns could even fire small-calibre bullets at high velocity. Their rifling would be suboptimal for this ammo, but it would function. It should be noted that the HK MP5F is a variant of the proven SMG that can use the ‘hottest’ 9x19mm cartridges, especially useful for possible later use of high-penetration ammo.
The examples of normal calibre are less dubious in their wound ballistics than the smaller calibres, although a 9 mm AP bullet is very likely to have less wounding capability than soft lead or even non-military hollowpoint bullets of the same calibre do.
The military utility of these pistols is not really obvious; although they’re capable of penetrating light body armour, their practical range is usually more limited by the weapon’s design than by bullet performance. Few of these handguns have any specials like fore grips, folding/removable buttstocks, laser pointer, red dot sight or compensator, therefore are the hit chances in combat not impressive beyond 25 m. Under combat stress, most of them might prove quite useless to their users in all but the closest distances, just like normal pistols. Their best use is probably as backup weapons in a comfortable quick draw holster with one magazine each in weapon and holster - but the heavier examples are unsuitable for this.
Anyway, I do present them here because the requirement to defeat soft body armour was such a prominent part of the PDW process and after all, it is primarily the belief in the inability of pistols and submachineguns to defeat light body armour that lead to the PDW. Note that any external and terminal ballistic performance that can be achieved by these weapons could as well be achieved (and more) by a full-size submachinegun that’s of comparable compactness as the most famous PDW, the FN P90.
SCHV - small calibre, high velocity handguns
The first of my categories of high-penetration handguns are the small calibre high velocity handguns. While their larger cousins can at least claim to have the sights and stability for controlled fire bursts on/in the target and therefore the ability to place many hits in short time into the enemy, these pistol-like weapons are less likely to compensate their supposed lack of single bullet wounding effect with a superior count of hits.
.224 BOZ pistol
This is rather an ammunition development than a pistol project - seemingly, they started with a Colt Delta Elite as Basis for this and now use a Glock 20. Both pistols are originally 10mm Auto handguns - the .224 BOZ cartridge is a necked-down 10mm Auto and should therefore fit well except in the barrel. The new barrels seem to have 5,5” or 6,5” length (140 or 165 mm) and are therefore longer than a standard Glock 20 barrel - that’s clearly visible. The overall approach is interesting; some 10mm Auto-chambered weapons are available including members of widespread and successful weapon families like the Glock 20 and HK MP5/10. The use of a (in comparison to FN’s and HK’s bullets) heavy 5.56mm bullet that’s compatible or identical to 5.56 x 45 mm weapons (kind of M193) is both pro and contra argument. This bullet will strike slower than usual when fired from an assault rifle and is therefore likely suboptimal for this job. Otherwise, these bullets are in production and are heavier than most other PDW bullets! The developers claim that DERA (UK) has tested the cartridge.
http://www.civil-defence.org/products/ballistics/boz224/ppw.html
Colt SCAMP
The SCAMP (Small Caliber Machine Pistol) was developed to be a worthy successor for the Colt Model 1911 Government (that has the impressive calibre of .45ACP). Just like this, the SCAMP machine pistol was rather large but would have given its user full-auto fire or a three-round burst of soft body armour penetrating small calibre high-velocity bullets (only the Tuma mte .224 VA bullets seem to be faster in this category!). Note its compensator against muzzle climb and the lack of buttstock and fore grip. The cartridge’s effective range with the SCAMP’s long barrel likely outperformed the weapon’s practical range. It’s also beyond my understanding why a high-velocity weapon with insufficient ergonomics for 100 m (for example) would need windage-adjustable sights.
www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/scamp.pdf
FN Five-seveN
The FN Five-seveN is the little brother of the FN P90, firing the same cartridge. So far, this self-loading pistol seems to be less famous and commercially successful than the P-90. Its best properties are lightweight (744 g loaded), high magazine capacity (20) and of course the penetration (CRISAT). Available for some years, it will soon have a new rival in the HK UCP / P46. This weapon certainly does not need much of an description here because it’s well-documented in the internet:
www.FNHerstal.com/html/index.htm
www.world.guns.ru/smg/smg59-e.htm
www.remtek.com/arms/fn/57/index.htm
www.fnhusa.com/contents/hg_fiveseven.htm
users.belgacom.net/jm.armes/FN-FS/F-S_menu.htm (in French)
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1599.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1600/1679.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2300/2367.htm
HK NBW (sometimes incorrectly called “G11 PDW”)
This is a kind of little brother of the famous assault rifle (project) for caseless cartridges, the German HK G11. The G11 assault rifle was in the process of being adopted when the Cold War ended and was then cancelled together with a light machinegun project with the same cartridge and this pistol-like “Nahbereichswaffe” (German: ‘close-in weapon’). It’s said that prototype cartridges (different ones than the G11 cartridges) were produced but the weapon itself did not advance beyond mock-up stage. The comparison with the contemporary HK design presented directly below is interesting; this mock-up for a caseless cartridge gun doesn’t seem to be designed with the same intentions about ergonomics; maybe the NBW picture doesn’t look at all like the weapon would have looked if fully develeoped. The conventional MP7 (PDW), G36 (assault rifle)and MG4 (light machinegun) were developed for and adopted by the Bundeswehr instead of the caseless cartridge weapons family.
www.hkpro.com/g11pdw.htm
DWJ 8/2004 issue
HK project in 1989 in 5.7 x 22 mm GIAT (exact name unknown to me)
This seems to have been the conventional counterpart of the HK NBW above - it used the later abandoned 5.7x22 mm calibre by GIAT. That was a new cartridge resembling a 7.62 x 22 mm Luger round necked down to .22 caliber. But this calibre was abandoned when GIAT became parent company of FN and FN had both a more powerful PDW calibre with its 5.7 x 28mm as well as more mature weapon designs for it. The front sight of this weapon confuses me; it doesn’t seem to be designed for greater than pistol ranges - otherwise its radius could easily be enlarged by a more forward fore sight. This project/study is dead now and I’m even not sure whether there was ever a prototype. Note that the “5.7 x 22 mm” calibre info could be wrong because GIAT’s own PDW project of the time was according to Jane’s in 5.7 x 25 mm.
DWJ 8/2004 issue
HK UCP / P46
The small brother of the MP7. A brochure of the UCP was seemingly shown at the MILIPOL 2003 expo in Paris (which I’m still trying to get...) and a graphic of it is part of a Heckler & Koch advertisement on the cover of Jane’s Infantry Weapons 2004-2005, but this pistol doesn’t seem to have been officially launched yet. Superficially, it seems to be a very close rival to the FN Five-seveN.
www.hkpro.com/p46.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2794.htm (obsolete photo)
Leitner-Wise LW70S pistol
This pistol seems to be in development for a 7.82S x 24 mm cartridge with a normal commercial 55 or 62 grains 5.56 mm bullet held by sabots. The sabot arrangements promises a comparably high muzzle velocity despite a short barrel, but the cartridge seems to be primarily defined for a full-size PDW (LW15S CAW), not for a pistol. This might be a disadvantage for the pistol due to (probably) strong muzzle flash and noise.
www.leitner-wise.com/products/82s.htm
NORINCO SFQ 5,8 / Chang Feng
The early version of the Chang Feng submachinegun was in a 5.8 x 21 mm calibre and quite complicated. Telescoping buttstock and some kind of fore grip might give this one decent hit chances at good SMG ranges. It seems as if the really extraordinary feature was the use of two magazines at once; a normal one in the grip and a high-capacity helical magazine as known by Calico weapons and Russian PP-90M1 submachinegun. That would outperform even the magazine capacity of the FN P90. The Chinese do also have a variant of the Type 85 submachinegun in the 5.8 x 21 mm calibre. It seems as if this gun was cancelled in favor of a less complicated design with standard calibre.
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2800/2802.htm
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg74-e.htm
NORINCO QSZ-92-5.8
The Chinese either don’t seem to want their weapons become famous or they are lousy in marketing. Anyway, it’s difficult to find out much about this weapon. It’s said to be in service with the PLA at least for trials. Its muzzle energy is rather low, and it has difficulty to qualify for this category.
www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/pistol.asp
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg122-e.htm
www.edu.cn/20011211/3013568.shtml (in Chinese. This text exists at different places in the internet.)
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2796.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2797.htm
Norinco Type 05
This 5.8 x 21 mm submachinegun seems the primary variant for the Chinese military while a 9mm version is for police use and foreign sales.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg75-e.htm
Tuma mte .224 VA
The Tuma mte .224 VA is a machine pistol (the mte .224 V is a self-loading pistol) of the small Swiss weapons design corporation Tuma Engineering. It’s quite comparable to the other modern guns in this category, but it’s seemingly the most powerful concerning muzzle energy (.224 BOZ’ muzzle energy is likely close or better, but unknown to me). It has even more muzzle energy than the two most famous “NATO PDWs” HK MP7 A1 and FN P90. A magazine holder in the front can act as fore grip, but doesn’t seem to be compatible with a normal holster. The fashionable tactical lights and silencer extras are also for this weapon available.
www.mtuma.ch/sites/content/mte224V.htm
www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/mte224va.html (in German)
www.geocities.com/personaldefenceweapons/Tuma/Tuma1.jpg (high-quality photo)
www.geocities.com/personaldefenceweapons/Tuma/Tuma2.jpg (high-quality photo)
www.geocities.com/personaldefenceweapons/Tuma/Tuma3.jpg (high-quality photo)
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1100/1149.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1600/1626.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2800/2858.htm
Small calibre, normal pistol bullet velocity - this category is both old and difficult to understand.
Despite soft body armour penetration capability, these are in my humble opinion definately no weapons for use as PDW. Their stopping power and practical range doesn’t elevate them above normal 9 x 19 mm pistols. But they’re interesting because they demonstrate the penetration potential of even slow small-calibre bullets.
KBP OTs-23 “Drotik” (Javelin) / SBZ
As differences to the earlier PSM, this is a machine-pistol with an astonishing magazine capacity of no less than 24 cartridges, completely in the hand grip. The three-round bursts are extremely fast with 1800 rpm and despite this burst fire capability and the small calibre (5.45mm), this pistol looks - normal. The multi-hit chance for a burst should at least partially compensate for the dubious wounding potential of the bullet. The weapon has a muzzle compensator and an interesting detail is an external indicator that allows the user to determine by touching it how many rounds are left in the magazine.
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2140.htm
KBP PSM
This weapon is rather a pocket pistol that surprisingly is able to defeat strong soft body armour. A toy for high-ranking officers and both small and light enough not to be noticed often when worn. It uses the same cartridge with Spitzer bullet like the Drotik.
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg23-e.htm
9 x 21 mm calibre weapons
Their soft body armour penetration is awesome in comparison to the performance of normal 9 x 19 mm bullets, but the price is that the 9 x 21 mm pistol is quite heavy. Western sports shooters have used calibres like 9 x 22 mm to beef up in comparison to the old 9 x 19 mm weapons - but such cartridges did not become standard. The 10mm Auto cartridge is also much more powerful than 9 x 19 mm (primarily in wounding effect, AP bullets are uncommon or non-existant in this calibre). It was selected by the FBI and weapons like the MP5 were modified for 10mm Auto. But it didn’t become one of the standard cartridges. The same so far happened to the 9 x 21 mm cartridge - it seems as if the 9 x 18 mm AP cartridge is more successful.
Rex Firearms Gepard / PP-SShS in 9 x 21 mm
The Gepard is described elsewhere as a 9 x 30 mm calibre weapon. It was tested with 9 x 21 mm, too. That’s potentially advantageous for the ergonomy of the hand grip and might allow a shorter barrel...
Serdyukov SPS / P-9 “Gyurza” (Snake or Viper, also written Gurza) / Vector SR-1
There’s surprisingly little to say about this weapon; you need a vest class higher than normal against pistols to protect against its bullet, that’s besides an unconventional safety arrangement the only remarkable detail of this gun.
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm
Tsniitochmash SR-2
Despite it fires a pistol cartridge and can be categorized as machine-pistol, this gun has a gas-operated rotary locking mechanism. It doesn’t seem to be advisable to stabilise it with the weak hand below the handguard because there’s no protection against sliding forward to the muzzle. With a folding fore grip, it would be much better.
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2200/2214.htm
I’d also like to present some examples for the normal calibre breed of high-penetration handguns - interestingly, they’re all Russian.
This doesn’t need to be like that - it seems as if the fear of ‘copkiller’ ammunition distribution prevented the use of such cartridges in the western world. They are available!
6P35 “Grach” / PYa / Pistolet Yarygina
This seems to be a good, modern self-loading pistol for hot armour-piercing cartridges. It has a very good magazine capacity, the cartridge-typical good armour penetration and an easily acceptable weight. Finally, it’s entering service in the Russian military and other Russian institutions.
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg50-e.htm
KBP GSh-18
The GSh-18 is a modern and lightweight pistol that seems to be quite similar to the Glock series in that it has no external safety. It’s compatible with 9 x 19mm Parabellum cartridges but deserves its entry here with the hardened steel core bullets of the 9 x 19 mm 7H31 cartridge with its astonishing claimed penetration. It’s likely that this pistol has lost out to 6P35 “Grach” and Vektor SR-1 - the competition among Russian high-penetration handguns is fierce with so many designs at one time in one country with such defence budget problems.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/gsh18.htm
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg111-e.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2141.htm
KBP OTs-02 “Kiparis” (Cypress) / TKB-0217
This weapon is located at the upper edge of the machine pistol segment. It has been issued to Russian police special forces (which seem to get a lot of different new weapons) and uses the same cartridges and is from the same manufacturer as the KBP PP-93. Every source seems to state another range of rate of fire for this weapon...
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/ots02.htm
world.guns.ru/smg/smg04-e.htm
KBP OTs-27 “Berdysh” (pole-axe) / PSA
Just one seemingly unspectacular self-loading pistol more. Except that it can handle the same 9 x 18 mm 57-N-181SM armour-piercing cartridge as Pernach, Kiparis and PP-93, too. And the magazine has a very good capacity. Seems to be in use with some Russian police units.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/ots27.htm
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg138-e.htm
KBP OTs-33 “Pernach” (multivaned mace) / SBZ-2
A machine pistol with moderate weight, ability to handle hot AP cartridges, good magazine capacity and limited use in Russian OMON special units. Notable is also that it’s simpler to produce than the ‘predecessor’ APS. The buttstock promises to increase the practical range in comparison to normal pistols.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/ots33.htm
www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2900/2907.htm
KBP PP-90M1
This submachinegun is relevant for its large helical high-capacity magazine and for its ability to use 9 x 19mm AP bullets (7N21 and 7N31). Ergonomically, it seems to be terrible.
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/pp90m1.htm
world.guns.ru/smg/smg59-e.htm
KBP PP-93
This rather good-looking weapon is located at the upper edge of machine pistols. The combination of heavy weight, buttstock and comparably low rate of fire promises that this machine pistol is more controllable than many others are. The penetration should at least be useful in law enforcement against soft vehicles and I guess it’s able to defeat Level III-a soft body armour (30 layers Kevlar® 129).
www.shipunov.com/eng/str/strelk/pp93.htm
world.guns.ru/smg/smg58-e.htm
KBP PP-2000
The KBP PP-2000 is a very new weapon with several highly uncommon features. The most obvious unusual feature is the combined fore grip/trigger guard. But the shoulder stock in form of a long magazine is also pretty unusual if not unique. It’s here because it can use hot 7N31 cartridges with enhanced vest piercing capability.
world.guns.ru/smg/smg61-e.htm
10mm PDW project of Arm West
This is a development project - but I take it seriously because the well-known L. James Sullivan is the designer. It will as it seems result in pistol and machine pistol for a 10mm light AP bullet design for combat ranges up to 100m.
www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632, Soldiertech_HK,,00.html
www.defensereview.com/crane1/Arm%20West%20PDW_Pistol%20Version.jpg
www.defensereview.com/crane1/Arm%20West%20PDW_Shoulder%20Weapon%20Version_Retracted-spec.jpg
www.defensereview.com/crane1/Arm%20West%20PDW_Shoulder%20Weapon%20Version_Extended.jpg
Stan Crist’s PDW (conversion) proposal
Finally, I want to draw your attention to an article written by a friend of mine. It was published by the U.S. ARMOR magazine in 2001. Basically, he argued for a conversion of the existing M9 (Beretta 92) pistols in U.S. service for lengthened barrel, telescoping buttstock and 9 x 19 mm AP cartridges to enable the weapon to defeat light body armour and to enable the user to hit targets farther away. I consider this as one of the very rare examples of a pistol-to-PDW conversion proposal. Key to enhanced penetration are AP cartridges, another hint that western 9 x 19 mm systems still have some potential.
I’m not aware of any such or similar conversions, but the cost of the British SA-80 assault rifle conversion/upgrade seems to indicate that it’s likely more advantageous to put the pistols into war reserve and purchase new weapons instead of an upgrade. But the Pentagon’s practices are obscure enough that this argument is not necessarily relevant there.
www.knox.army.mil/center/ocoa/armormag/nd01/6pdw01.pdf
Thursday, June 23, 2005
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
AA Auction 6730265 (Ends 06/23/2005, 20:21:19 PST) 2 Specimens of 5.7x28mm, SS192 & SS90 (GS-19)
AA Auction 6730265 (Ends 06/23/2005, 20:21:19 PST) 2 Specimens of 5.7x28mm, SS192 & SS90 (GS-19): "This auction is for 2 specimens, one SS90 HP Projectile Cartridge and one SS90 steel core FMJ projectile Cartridge. Limited availability! The large Cartridge in the picture is a .223 to show size comparison. Developed in the late 1980s. The 5.7 x 28 mm Cartridge is part of Belgium�s FN Herstal Small Arms innovative Weapons Systems. 5.7x28mm ammunition is lighter, recoils less than comparative 9mm weapons and penetrates over 48 layers of kevlar at 200 meters with the (SS90) steel core FMJ projectile, not the (SS192)H.P. projectile. The Five-Seven� Pistols, 5.7 x 28 mm with 20 rounds in the magazine. Fedex shipping and insurance is only $9.00 no matter how many single cartridges you buy, and you can combine auctions, or also go/to www.ammo-one.com to save on shipping cost per item! WE ACCEPT PAY-PAL, and were small enough to customize your orders! Shipping on all orders and on live ammunition is to the lower 48 States of the USA, elsewhere, please ask us. We can ship deactivated ammunition Worldwide by mail "
Oldammo.com list
: "4563 5.7 x 28 FN SB193 Subsonic, white tip pointed copper full metal jacket, brass primer, headstamp
5.7x28 FNB 03, for use by law enforcement or military with sound suppressed P90 sub machine gun
or Five-seven pistol, check the FN web page at www.fnmfg.com/lawenf/ss190/ss190.htm for info
on these and the other 5.7 x 28 cartridges $3.00
4564 5.7 x 28 FN SS192 Ball, pointed copper jacket hollow point, brass primer, headstamp
5.7x28 FNB 03, for use by law enforcement or military with P90 sub machine gun or Five-seven
pistol $2.00"
5.7x28 FNB 03, for use by law enforcement or military with sound suppressed P90 sub machine gun
or Five-seven pistol, check the FN web page at www.fnmfg.com/lawenf/ss190/ss190.htm for info
on these and the other 5.7 x 28 cartridges $3.00
4564 5.7 x 28 FN SS192 Ball, pointed copper jacket hollow point, brass primer, headstamp
5.7x28 FNB 03, for use by law enforcement or military with P90 sub machine gun or Five-seven
pistol $2.00"
FN FiveseveN Forums - tumbling & the dry film lubricant on the outside of the case
FN FiveseveN Forums - tumbling & the dry film lubricant on the outside of the case: "Originally Posted by sulafool
I was wondering when someone would mention this. I washed some brass in a 5% citric acid solution and it caused 30 to 50% of the coating to peel off. Looks like hammered doggy-do now. Trying to get the rest off has been a nightmare. I've tried acetone, toluene, every kind of paint/lacquer thinner and 2 kinds of stripper as well as returning it to the acid bath and tumbling. Can't seem to get all of it off. I suppose that which remains will never be a problem, but the thought of that crap flaking off inside the chamber and turning into some melted goo bothers me. Don't know if the coating has a function or not; I never heard of such a thing before except that lacquer the commies put on their steel cased ammo for corrosion protection. Anyone else besides me anal enough to try to get all the coating off?
5.7x28mm cases have a laquer coating on them to cause lubricity so the straight walled case can be extracted from the chamber. I would not tumble them too much and I would not clean them with a chemical. Maybe a little case lube during re-sizing."
I was wondering when someone would mention this. I washed some brass in a 5% citric acid solution and it caused 30 to 50% of the coating to peel off. Looks like hammered doggy-do now. Trying to get the rest off has been a nightmare. I've tried acetone, toluene, every kind of paint/lacquer thinner and 2 kinds of stripper as well as returning it to the acid bath and tumbling. Can't seem to get all of it off. I suppose that which remains will never be a problem, but the thought of that crap flaking off inside the chamber and turning into some melted goo bothers me. Don't know if the coating has a function or not; I never heard of such a thing before except that lacquer the commies put on their steel cased ammo for corrosion protection. Anyone else besides me anal enough to try to get all the coating off?
5.7x28mm cases have a laquer coating on them to cause lubricity so the straight walled case can be extracted from the chamber. I would not tumble them too much and I would not clean them with a chemical. Maybe a little case lube during re-sizing."
Tuesday, June 21, 2005
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Friday, June 17, 2005
NRA-ILA :: Fact Sheets - Brady Campaign Caught Lying About FN Model "Five seveN" Pistol
NRA-ILA :: Fact Sheets: "Brady Campaign Caught Lying About FN Model 'Five seveN' Pistol
Given the large number of lies that anti-gun groups have told over the years, we hesitate to say that this is the most dishonest and deceptive thing we have ever heard from them. But what the Brady Campaign is saying about Fabrique Nationale`s Model 'Five seveN' pistol is among the most dishonest and deceptive to date.
The 'Five seveN' is a conventional semi-automatic pistol designed to fire various types of ammunition in Fabrique Nationale`s (FN) new caliber, 5.7x28mm. As required under federal law,1 only non-armor-penetrating types of 5.7mm ammunition are imported for sale to the public, however. One such type (designated SS196) is loaded with the Hornady V-MAX ('Varmint'-Max) varmint bullet. Some ranchers, who would otherwise carry a rifle for varmint control, have taken to the 'Five seveN,' which is easier to carry when working in the field. A hollowpoint bullet round (SS192) was imported initially, but FN has discontinued it in favor of the V-MAX round.
There is nothing special about the 'Five seveN.' It is a semi-automatic pistol, just like millions of other semi-automatic pistols. BATFE has determined that it is 'particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes,' and has approved its importation. There is also nothing special about the 5.7mm ammunition being sold to the public. V-MAX bullets, introduced in 1996, are used in nine other popular calibers. BATFE has examined the V-MAX round and determined that it is 'not armor piercing ammunition.' (Emphasis in the original.)2
However, Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control) claims that the 'Five seveN' should be banned, further claiming that FN`s website says that 'Kevlar helmets and vests . . . will be penetrated'"
Given the large number of lies that anti-gun groups have told over the years, we hesitate to say that this is the most dishonest and deceptive thing we have ever heard from them. But what the Brady Campaign is saying about Fabrique Nationale`s Model 'Five seveN' pistol is among the most dishonest and deceptive to date.
The 'Five seveN' is a conventional semi-automatic pistol designed to fire various types of ammunition in Fabrique Nationale`s (FN) new caliber, 5.7x28mm. As required under federal law,1 only non-armor-penetrating types of 5.7mm ammunition are imported for sale to the public, however. One such type (designated SS196) is loaded with the Hornady V-MAX ('Varmint'-Max) varmint bullet. Some ranchers, who would otherwise carry a rifle for varmint control, have taken to the 'Five seveN,' which is easier to carry when working in the field. A hollowpoint bullet round (SS192) was imported initially, but FN has discontinued it in favor of the V-MAX round.
There is nothing special about the 'Five seveN.' It is a semi-automatic pistol, just like millions of other semi-automatic pistols. BATFE has determined that it is 'particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes,' and has approved its importation. There is also nothing special about the 5.7mm ammunition being sold to the public. V-MAX bullets, introduced in 1996, are used in nine other popular calibers. BATFE has examined the V-MAX round and determined that it is 'not armor piercing ammunition.' (Emphasis in the original.)2
However, Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control) claims that the 'Five seveN' should be banned, further claiming that FN`s website says that 'Kevlar helmets and vests . . . will be penetrated'"
Controversy exists over potential body-piercing ammunition | mountvernonnews.com
Controversy exists over potential body-piercing ammunition mountvernonnews.com
MOUNT VERNON — A European gun manufacturer may be selling a commercial handgun designed to shoot body-armor piercing bullets, according to allegations put forth by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a prominent gun control advocacy group.
The Brady Campaign refers to the Fabrique Nationale “Five SeveN”, a gun manufactured by FN Hertzler, a Belgian arms dealer that makes military as well as commercial weaponry.
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MOUNT VERNON — A European gun manufacturer may be selling a commercial handgun designed to shoot body-armor piercing bullets, according to allegations put forth by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a prominent gun control advocacy group.
The Brady Campaign refers to the Fabrique Nationale “Five SeveN”, a gun manufactured by FN Hertzler, a Belgian arms dealer that makes military as well as commercial weaponry.
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San Antonio Lightning Newspaper Freedom Page - 'Death Wish' Likely To Go Unfulfilled
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In a stunning reversal, an officer of a leading anti-gun group has retreated from last week's unprecedented offer to shoot a top ranking NRA official, following a challenge from the San Antonio Lightning Newspaper.The President of the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence "will not be shooting anyone,” according to a spokesperson for that organization.Brady President Mike Barnes told a press conference that hewanted to shoot a soft-body-armored Wayne LaPierre,Executive Director of the National Rifle Association—butMonday a spokesperson for the Campaign retracted Barnes’comment in an exclusive interview with the Lightning.
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In a stunning reversal, an officer of a leading anti-gun group has retreated from last week's unprecedented offer to shoot a top ranking NRA official, following a challenge from the San Antonio Lightning Newspaper.The President of the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence "will not be shooting anyone,” according to a spokesperson for that organization.Brady President Mike Barnes told a press conference that hewanted to shoot a soft-body-armored Wayne LaPierre,Executive Director of the National Rifle Association—butMonday a spokesperson for the Campaign retracted Barnes’comment in an exclusive interview with the Lightning.
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NRA-ILA :: Current Legislation - State -Brady`s Barnes Sinks To The Gutter
NRA-ILA :: Current Legislation - State: "Brady`s Barnes Sinks To The Gutter
Sunday, March 06, 2005
Anyone who doubts the depths to which the Brady Campaign will sink to advance its extremist gun ban agenda should do so no more. In a March 3 press conference to announce the introduction of legislation by Senators Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Charles Schumer, and Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) to ban the FN 5.7mm caliber Five seveN pistol, the Brady Campaign`s President, Mike Barnes, stooped to a new low.
Even though 'armor piercing ammunition' has been restricted under federal law since 1986, Brady and the anti-gun politicians nevertheless claimed that 5.7mm ammunition available to the general public penetrates bullet-resistant vests.
That lie is bad enough. But then Barnes demonstrated his group`s complete and utter disregard for gun safety and its flaming zeal to further restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners, challenging NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre to 'put on a bullet proof vest, and we`ll fire the weapon at him, and see what happens.'
Claims made by Brady, Lautenberg, Schumer, and their ilk would lack credibility under any circumstances. But Barnes`s outrageous comment, along with Brady`s lies about the pistol and its ammunition, prove that the group has severed all ties to reality. For anyone interested in the facts, the BATFE--the nation`s regulatory authority over firearms and ammunition--has already made it clear that the pistol and ammunition that is available to the public are legal for importation and sale under federal law. (See www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm)
Further, anyone who is even remotely familiar with firearms safety knows that you never point a gun--loaded or unloaded--at someone for anything other than defensive purposes."
Sunday, March 06, 2005
Anyone who doubts the depths to which the Brady Campaign will sink to advance its extremist gun ban agenda should do so no more. In a March 3 press conference to announce the introduction of legislation by Senators Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Charles Schumer, and Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) to ban the FN 5.7mm caliber Five seveN pistol, the Brady Campaign`s President, Mike Barnes, stooped to a new low.
Even though 'armor piercing ammunition' has been restricted under federal law since 1986, Brady and the anti-gun politicians nevertheless claimed that 5.7mm ammunition available to the general public penetrates bullet-resistant vests.
That lie is bad enough. But then Barnes demonstrated his group`s complete and utter disregard for gun safety and its flaming zeal to further restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners, challenging NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre to 'put on a bullet proof vest, and we`ll fire the weapon at him, and see what happens.'
Claims made by Brady, Lautenberg, Schumer, and their ilk would lack credibility under any circumstances. But Barnes`s outrageous comment, along with Brady`s lies about the pistol and its ammunition, prove that the group has severed all ties to reality. For anyone interested in the facts, the BATFE--the nation`s regulatory authority over firearms and ammunition--has already made it clear that the pistol and ammunition that is available to the public are legal for importation and sale under federal law. (See www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm)
Further, anyone who is even remotely familiar with firearms safety knows that you never point a gun--loaded or unloaded--at someone for anything other than defensive purposes."
NRA-ILA :: Current Legislation - State - Brady Video Shoots Blanks
NRA-ILA :: Current Legislation - State: "Brady Video Shoots Blanks
Friday, January 28, 2005
In an obvious setup for an ammunition-banning 'killer amendment' to defeat pro-gun legislation, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and New York Senator Chuck Schumer (D) have once again proven that they`ve never seen a gun they won`t try to ban. The target of this week`s sparsely attended Washington news conference was FN Herstal`s 'Five-SeveN,' an expensive and still rare polymer-framed handgun. At the same time they attack .50 caliber rifles for their large bullets and long-range capability, the anti-gun groups falsely claim the Five-SeveN--specially designed for short-range use with small, lightweight bullets--poses a threat to police.
The truth is, this pistol and its ammunition were approved for importation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), which stated that the ammunition is 'not armor piercing' under Federal law. BATFE also noted that in tests by FN--one of Europe`s most respected firearm manufacturers--bullets from the Five-SeveN wouldn`t penetrate two kinds of soft body armor (you can see BATFE`s statement at: www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm).
Law enforcement agencies and manufacturers follow 57 pages of detailed instructions when testing armor. Brady 'ballisticians' simply shot a vest draped over a bale of hay and handed out a video.
The Brady Campaign`s latest media hysteria is clearly aimed at defeating pro-Second Amendment bills such as the 'Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.' Last year, Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) was soundly beaten at that game, when the Senate rebuffed his ploy to saddle the lawsuit bill with an amendment that would have banned most hunting rifle ammunition. The Senate rejected"
Friday, January 28, 2005
In an obvious setup for an ammunition-banning 'killer amendment' to defeat pro-gun legislation, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and New York Senator Chuck Schumer (D) have once again proven that they`ve never seen a gun they won`t try to ban. The target of this week`s sparsely attended Washington news conference was FN Herstal`s 'Five-SeveN,' an expensive and still rare polymer-framed handgun. At the same time they attack .50 caliber rifles for their large bullets and long-range capability, the anti-gun groups falsely claim the Five-SeveN--specially designed for short-range use with small, lightweight bullets--poses a threat to police.
The truth is, this pistol and its ammunition were approved for importation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), which stated that the ammunition is 'not armor piercing' under Federal law. BATFE also noted that in tests by FN--one of Europe`s most respected firearm manufacturers--bullets from the Five-SeveN wouldn`t penetrate two kinds of soft body armor (you can see BATFE`s statement at: www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm).
Law enforcement agencies and manufacturers follow 57 pages of detailed instructions when testing armor. Brady 'ballisticians' simply shot a vest draped over a bale of hay and handed out a video.
The Brady Campaign`s latest media hysteria is clearly aimed at defeating pro-Second Amendment bills such as the 'Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.' Last year, Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) was soundly beaten at that game, when the Senate rebuffed his ploy to saddle the lawsuit bill with an amendment that would have banned most hunting rifle ammunition. The Senate rejected"
Brady Campaign - CONGRESS MUST ACT ON COP KILLER GUN
Brady Campaign - CONGRESS MUST ACT ON COP KILLER GUN: "CONGRESS MUST ACT
ON COP KILLER GUN
For Immediate Release:
03-03-2005Contact Communications:
(202) 898-0792
Washington D.C. - Today, legislation was introduced in the House and Senate to eliminate a clear and present threat to police officers across America - a handgun that shoots body armor piercing bullets.
'We are very grateful to Senators Lautenberg, Corzine and Schumer and Congressman Eliot Engel for introducing legislation in the Senate and the House of Representatives to outlaw this weapon,' said Michael Barnes, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March. 'This weapon is a tragedy waiting to happen.'
'Instead of focusing on the threat to law enforcement caused by public sales of this cop killer gun, many in Congress are instead trying to pass legislation that would immunize the gun's manufacturer from lawsuits,' Barnes said. 'That's insane.'
The gun industry immunity legislation (H.R. 800/S. 397) introduced two weeks ago would shield FN Herstal, a Belgian company, from potential lawsuits based on the sale of its cop killer gun. FN Herstal officials have reportedly told the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) that commercially available ammunition for the weapon would not penetrate the vests worn by thousands of police officers. Testing has proven the company's claim to be false.
The easily concealable, lightweight handgun retails for about $1,000. One was purchased, along with ammunition, from a Virginia gun dealer in January by staff from the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. In a test conducted by Brady staff, the ammunition purchased with the weapon penetrated a vest. The gun and ammunition were turned over to the Wa"
ON COP KILLER GUN
For Immediate Release:
03-03-2005Contact Communications:
(202) 898-0792
Washington D.C. - Today, legislation was introduced in the House and Senate to eliminate a clear and present threat to police officers across America - a handgun that shoots body armor piercing bullets.
'We are very grateful to Senators Lautenberg, Corzine and Schumer and Congressman Eliot Engel for introducing legislation in the Senate and the House of Representatives to outlaw this weapon,' said Michael Barnes, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March. 'This weapon is a tragedy waiting to happen.'
'Instead of focusing on the threat to law enforcement caused by public sales of this cop killer gun, many in Congress are instead trying to pass legislation that would immunize the gun's manufacturer from lawsuits,' Barnes said. 'That's insane.'
The gun industry immunity legislation (H.R. 800/S. 397) introduced two weeks ago would shield FN Herstal, a Belgian company, from potential lawsuits based on the sale of its cop killer gun. FN Herstal officials have reportedly told the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) that commercially available ammunition for the weapon would not penetrate the vests worn by thousands of police officers. Testing has proven the company's claim to be false.
The easily concealable, lightweight handgun retails for about $1,000. One was purchased, along with ammunition, from a Virginia gun dealer in January by staff from the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. In a test conducted by Brady staff, the ammunition purchased with the weapon penetrated a vest. The gun and ammunition were turned over to the Wa"
Thursday, June 16, 2005
Shooting Range - National Registry - Tucson, AZ
Shooting Range - National Registry: "Tucson - Desert Trails Gun Club and Training Facility, 7777 East Valencia Road, Tucson, AZ 85747.
Phone: 520-663-0119
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25-50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (50-100 yds), Muzzleloading, Archery, Airgun
Range Access: Public
Email: rbat7777@netzero.net
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Jensen's Arizona Sportsman, 1280 W. Prince Road, Tucson, AZ 85705.
Phone: 520-321-3878
Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (40 yds)
Range Access: Public
Web Site: www.arizona-sportsman.com
Email: jschiess@ix.netcom.com
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Marksman Pistol Institute, 5051 E 29th Street, Tucson, AZ 85711.
Phone: 520-747-8657
Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (25 yds), Indoor Rifle (25 yds)
Range Access: Public
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Pima Pistol Club, Inc., 13990 N Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ 85737.
Phone: 520-825-3603
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (100, 200 yds)
Range Access: Public
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Southeast Regional Park Shooting Range, 11296 S. Harrison Rd., Tucson , AZ 85741.
Phone: 520-877-6128
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (5-50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (100-200 yds), Muzzleloading, Airgun
Hours of Operation: Th-Fr7-3 Sat-Sun7-6
Range Access: Public
Web Site: tucsonshooter.com
Email: dave.daughtry@parks.pima.gov
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Three Points Public Shooting Range, HC2 Box 7128, Tucson, AZ 85735.
Phone: 520-822-5189
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Phone: 520-663-0119
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25-50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (50-100 yds), Muzzleloading, Archery, Airgun
Range Access: Public
Email: rbat7777@netzero.net
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Jensen's Arizona Sportsman, 1280 W. Prince Road, Tucson, AZ 85705.
Phone: 520-321-3878
Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (40 yds)
Range Access: Public
Web Site: www.arizona-sportsman.com
Email: jschiess@ix.netcom.com
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Marksman Pistol Institute, 5051 E 29th Street, Tucson, AZ 85711.
Phone: 520-747-8657
Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (25 yds), Indoor Rifle (25 yds)
Range Access: Public
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Pima Pistol Club, Inc., 13990 N Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ 85737.
Phone: 520-825-3603
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (100, 200 yds)
Range Access: Public
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Southeast Regional Park Shooting Range, 11296 S. Harrison Rd., Tucson , AZ 85741.
Phone: 520-877-6128
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (5-50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (100-200 yds), Muzzleloading, Airgun
Hours of Operation: Th-Fr7-3 Sat-Sun7-6
Range Access: Public
Web Site: tucsonshooter.com
Email: dave.daughtry@parks.pima.gov
Click here for a map to the business:
Tucson - Three Points Public Shooting Range, HC2 Box 7128, Tucson, AZ 85735.
Phone: 520-822-5189
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Wednesday, June 15, 2005
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ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:
ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:
ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:
HISTORY AND PROSPECTS
Revised 21/10/2006
© Anthony G Williams
Introduction
First, I need to define what I mean by an "assault rifle", as there are various definitions around. The one I use is:
"A military rifle, capable of controlled, fully-automatic fire from the shoulder, with an effective range of at least 300 metres".
This has some clear implications for the ammunition such weapons are chambered for. First, it excludes all weapons designed around pistol cartridges (i.e. sub-machine guns - SMGs) as they only generate around 500 joules muzzle energy and cannot meet the range requirement. Second, it excludes the traditional "full power" military rifle/MG cartridges such as the .303", the .30-06, the 7.92x57 and the 7.62x51 NATO (typically firing 10-12g bullets at 750-850 m/s, and developing around 3,000-4,000 joules), as these are so powerful that their recoil is uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire from the shoulder. Assault rifles therefore need to be designed around a cartridge intermediate in power between pistol and full-power rifle rounds; in practice, approximately in the 1,250-2,500j range depending on the calibre.
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ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:
HISTORY AND PROSPECTS
Revised 21/10/2006
© Anthony G Williams
Introduction
First, I need to define what I mean by an "assault rifle", as there are various definitions around. The one I use is:
"A military rifle, capable of controlled, fully-automatic fire from the shoulder, with an effective range of at least 300 metres".
This has some clear implications for the ammunition such weapons are chambered for. First, it excludes all weapons designed around pistol cartridges (i.e. sub-machine guns - SMGs) as they only generate around 500 joules muzzle energy and cannot meet the range requirement. Second, it excludes the traditional "full power" military rifle/MG cartridges such as the .303", the .30-06, the 7.92x57 and the 7.62x51 NATO (typically firing 10-12g bullets at 750-850 m/s, and developing around 3,000-4,000 joules), as these are so powerful that their recoil is uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire from the shoulder. Assault rifles therefore need to be designed around a cartridge intermediate in power between pistol and full-power rifle rounds; in practice, approximately in the 1,250-2,500j range depending on the calibre.
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Large Caliber Ammunition - Types of Projectiles
Large Caliber Ammunition - Types of Projectiles: "sabot"
Large Caliber Ammunition - Types of Projectiles
Projectiles can be broadly classified according to three main types: spin-stabilized, fin-stabilized, and rocket assisted (both fin- and spin-stabilized). Formal military classification is based on the intended use of the projectile and the composition of the explosive charge (i.e., antipersonnel, antitank, and incendiary). Some very significant progress in projectile design has been made in the past few years
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Large Caliber Ammunition - Types of Projectiles
Projectiles can be broadly classified according to three main types: spin-stabilized, fin-stabilized, and rocket assisted (both fin- and spin-stabilized). Formal military classification is based on the intended use of the projectile and the composition of the explosive charge (i.e., antipersonnel, antitank, and incendiary). Some very significant progress in projectile design has been made in the past few years
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NOTES
With flechette loads the principle is "more wound for the shot", the flechette is used in lieu of conventional ball loads to attempt to wound the target. However flechettes are not known for long range accuracy, they can inherently affected by high winds and vegetation to reduce their velocity and ultimately affect their range. Once beyond the 45 range of the weapon one can roll a d6 (50) or d8 (60), on a roll of 1 the flechette has struck the target-this is to simulate the problems with the flechette and longer ranges.
NOTES
With flechette loads the principle is "more wound for the shot", the flechette is used in lieu of conventional ball loads to attempt to wound the target. However flechettes are not known for long range accuracy, they can inherently affected by high winds and vegetation to reduce their velocity and ultimately affect their range. Once beyond the 45 range of the weapon one can roll a d6 (50) or d8 (60), on a roll of 1 the flechette has struck the target-this is to simulate the problems with the flechette and longer ranges.
Personal Defence Weapons
Personal Defence Weapons: "sabot"
PDWs or Personal Defence Weapons have become very trendy in military circles. What is worrying is that they are mainly being brought for roles for which they are totally inappropriate. The "stopping power" of the rounds used in these weapons is in many cases being grossly exaggerated and they have often been marketed as superior for close combat.
The term "PDW" seems to have come into vogue around the mid-80s with the marketing of Heckler & Koch's MP5K-PDW, a version of the MP5K with a side-folding stock. The MP5K-PDW (or possibly the stockless MP5K) was worn by some helicopter crews in Grenada. With a 15 round magazine the weapon fitted a thigh holster and a pouch on the other leg could take five 30 round magazines or four 30 round mags and a suppressor.
Around 1996 the meaning of PDW changed. Within NATO there was perceived a need for a compact defensive weapon to arm personnel who didn't or couldn't carry a full-size rifle but needed something more powerful than 9x19mm. It was felt Artillery, Signals, Transport and many other troops that did not perform assault missions needed self protection when performing normal tasks without burden of heavy weapon.
Part of the specification that was to emerge in NATO Document AC/255-D/1177 (2nd Revise) was that it should be able to defeat CRISAT body armour at ranges of up to 200m. CRISAT was defined as a 1.6mm titanium plate backed by 20 layers of Kevlar. Light weight, low recoil and controllability were desirable. Since it was to be a "weapon of desperation" it was deemed acceptable for the PDW to use rounds other than NATO standard 9x19mm and 5.56x45mm.
I refer to this new batch of weapons as "new-breed PDWs", although Sven Ortman more descriptively calls them "Small Calibre High Velocity" or SCHV-PDW.
PDWs or Personal Defence Weapons have become very trendy in military circles. What is worrying is that they are mainly being brought for roles for which they are totally inappropriate. The "stopping power" of the rounds used in these weapons is in many cases being grossly exaggerated and they have often been marketed as superior for close combat.
The term "PDW" seems to have come into vogue around the mid-80s with the marketing of Heckler & Koch's MP5K-PDW, a version of the MP5K with a side-folding stock. The MP5K-PDW (or possibly the stockless MP5K) was worn by some helicopter crews in Grenada. With a 15 round magazine the weapon fitted a thigh holster and a pouch on the other leg could take five 30 round magazines or four 30 round mags and a suppressor.
Around 1996 the meaning of PDW changed. Within NATO there was perceived a need for a compact defensive weapon to arm personnel who didn't or couldn't carry a full-size rifle but needed something more powerful than 9x19mm. It was felt Artillery, Signals, Transport and many other troops that did not perform assault missions needed self protection when performing normal tasks without burden of heavy weapon.
Part of the specification that was to emerge in NATO Document AC/255-D/1177 (2nd Revise) was that it should be able to defeat CRISAT body armour at ranges of up to 200m. CRISAT was defined as a 1.6mm titanium plate backed by 20 layers of Kevlar. Light weight, low recoil and controllability were desirable. Since it was to be a "weapon of desperation" it was deemed acceptable for the PDW to use rounds other than NATO standard 9x19mm and 5.56x45mm.
I refer to this new batch of weapons as "new-breed PDWs", although Sven Ortman more descriptively calls them "Small Calibre High Velocity" or SCHV-PDW.
Assault Rifle Ammunition Overview
Assault Rifle Ammunition Overview: "APFSDS"
Assault Rifles and Their Ammunition: History and Prospects
January 11, 2004
By Anthony G. Williams, author of “Cannon, Machine Guns, and Ammunition: A Website for Military Gun and Ammunition Enthusiasts,” (www.quarry.nildram.co.uk). Mr. Williams’ most recent book is called Assault Rifle. Reprinted by permission.
Introduction
First, I need to define what I mean by an “assault rifle,” as there are various definitions around. The one I use is: “A military rifle, capable of controlled, fully-automatic fire from the shoulder, with an effective range of at least 300 metres.”
This has some clear implications for the ammunition such weapons are chambered for. First, it excludes all weapons designed around pistol cartridges (i.e. sub-machine guns—SMGs) as they only generate around 500 joules muzzle energy and cannot meet the range requirement. Second, it excludes the traditional “full power” military rifle/MG cartridges such as the .303, the .30-06, the 7.92x57 and the 7.62x51 NATO (typically firing 10-12g bullets at 750-850 m/s, and developing around 3,000-4,000 joules), as these are so powerful that their recoil is uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire from the shoulder. Assault rifles therefore need to be designed around a cartridge intermediate in power between pistol and full-power rifle rounds; in practice, in the 1,250-2,500j range depending on the calibre.
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Assault Rifles and Their Ammunition: History and Prospects
January 11, 2004
By Anthony G. Williams, author of “Cannon, Machine Guns, and Ammunition: A Website for Military Gun and Ammunition Enthusiasts,” (www.quarry.nildram.co.uk). Mr. Williams’ most recent book is called Assault Rifle. Reprinted by permission.
Introduction
First, I need to define what I mean by an “assault rifle,” as there are various definitions around. The one I use is: “A military rifle, capable of controlled, fully-automatic fire from the shoulder, with an effective range of at least 300 metres.”
This has some clear implications for the ammunition such weapons are chambered for. First, it excludes all weapons designed around pistol cartridges (i.e. sub-machine guns—SMGs) as they only generate around 500 joules muzzle energy and cannot meet the range requirement. Second, it excludes the traditional “full power” military rifle/MG cartridges such as the .303, the .30-06, the 7.92x57 and the 7.62x51 NATO (typically firing 10-12g bullets at 750-850 m/s, and developing around 3,000-4,000 joules), as these are so powerful that their recoil is uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire from the shoulder. Assault rifles therefore need to be designed around a cartridge intermediate in power between pistol and full-power rifle rounds; in practice, in the 1,250-2,500j range depending on the calibre.
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Assault Rifle Ammunition History
Assault Rifle Ammunition History: "APFSDS"
Assault Rifles and Their Ammunition: History and Prospects
January 11, 2004
Anthony G. Williams, author of “Cannon, Machine Guns, and Ammunition: A Website for Military Gun and Ammunition Enthusiasts,” (www.quarry.nildram.co.uk). Reprinted by permission.
Introduction
First, I need to define what I mean by an “assault rifle,” as there are various definitions around. The one I use is: “A military rifle, capable of controlled, fully-automatic fire from the shoulder, with an effective range of at least 300 metres.”
This has some clear implications for the ammunition such weapons are chambered for. First, it excludes all weapons designed around pistol cartridges (i.e. sub-machine guns—SMGs) as they only generate around 500 joules muzzle energy and cannot meet the range requirement. Second, it excludes the traditional “full power” military rifle/MG cartridges such as the .303, the .30-06, the 7.92x57 and the 7.62x51 NATO (typically firing 10-12g bullets at 750-850 m/s, and developing around 3,000-4,000 joules), as these are so powerful that their recoil is uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire from the shoulder. Assault rifles therefore need to be designed around a cartridge intermediate in power between pistol and full-power rifle rounds; in practice, in the 1,250-2,500j range depending on the calibre.
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Assault Rifles and Their Ammunition: History and Prospects
January 11, 2004
Anthony G. Williams, author of “Cannon, Machine Guns, and Ammunition: A Website for Military Gun and Ammunition Enthusiasts,” (www.quarry.nildram.co.uk). Reprinted by permission.
Introduction
First, I need to define what I mean by an “assault rifle,” as there are various definitions around. The one I use is: “A military rifle, capable of controlled, fully-automatic fire from the shoulder, with an effective range of at least 300 metres.”
This has some clear implications for the ammunition such weapons are chambered for. First, it excludes all weapons designed around pistol cartridges (i.e. sub-machine guns—SMGs) as they only generate around 500 joules muzzle energy and cannot meet the range requirement. Second, it excludes the traditional “full power” military rifle/MG cartridges such as the .303, the .30-06, the 7.92x57 and the 7.62x51 NATO (typically firing 10-12g bullets at 750-850 m/s, and developing around 3,000-4,000 joules), as these are so powerful that their recoil is uncontrollable in fully-automatic fire from the shoulder. Assault rifles therefore need to be designed around a cartridge intermediate in power between pistol and full-power rifle rounds; in practice, in the 1,250-2,500j range depending on the calibre.
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Army Technology - Cime Bocuze - Ammunition Components
Army Technology - Cime Bocuze - Ammunition Components: "APFSDS"
Cime Bocuze is one of the world leaders in the field of development and production of tungsten alloys components. These components are ideally suited for a wide range of ammunitions, from small to large calibre.
The combination of our innovation, process mastery and strict inspection policy brings to our products a quality level that meets the most severe demands.
Cime Bocuze is one of the world leaders in the field of development and production of tungsten alloys components. These components are ideally suited for a wide range of ammunitions, from small to large calibre.
The combination of our innovation, process mastery and strict inspection policy brings to our products a quality level that meets the most severe demands.
Bullets for Beginners
Bullets for Beginners
Bullets for Beginners
Guns are generally classified according to use, size, and tradition. This varies among the military services. The basic distinction is between small arms and artillery. Any gun below a 20-millimeter bore size is generally classified as a small arm. An alternative term gaining increasing currency is "light arms," to include individual and light support weapons.
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Bullets for Beginners
Guns are generally classified according to use, size, and tradition. This varies among the military services. The basic distinction is between small arms and artillery. Any gun below a 20-millimeter bore size is generally classified as a small arm. An alternative term gaining increasing currency is "light arms," to include individual and light support weapons.
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THE SEARCH FOR HIGH VELOCITY
THE SEARCH FOR HIGH VELOCITY: "SLAP"
THE SEARCH FOR HIGH VELOCITY
© Anthony G Williams
This is an amended version of an article which originally appeared in Guns Review International in instalments between May and September 1996
Since the introduction of smokeless ammunition powders and the high muzzle velocities which they made possible, there has been a constant search for improved ballistic performance for both civilian and military purposes. However, these searches have had different objectives which have led to different outcomes.
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THE SEARCH FOR HIGH VELOCITY
© Anthony G Williams
This is an amended version of an article which originally appeared in Guns Review International in instalments between May and September 1996
Since the introduction of smokeless ammunition powders and the high muzzle velocities which they made possible, there has been a constant search for improved ballistic performance for both civilian and military purposes. However, these searches have had different objectives which have led to different outcomes.
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Defense Review - Pinnacle Armor Makes Big Splash at TREXPO East
Defense Review - Pinnacle Armor Makes Big Splash at TREXPO East
More info: http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/new/body_armors.html
Think of a bullet-resistant vest designed for police and miltary, capable of defeating 5.56 and .308 full metal jacket rounds, and even AP sabot rounds, like Winchester/Olin's SLAP .308 and Bofors Carl Gustaf's XM995 5.56 and XM993 .308. Please realize that I'm not talking about a vest that utilizes a hard tactical chest plate. I'm talking about a vest whose entire surface, inlcluding front, back, and side panels, can withstand more than a standard level IV hard armor tactical plate, while remaining flexible. Sound too good to be true?
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More info: http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/new/body_armors.html
Think of a bullet-resistant vest designed for police and miltary, capable of defeating 5.56 and .308 full metal jacket rounds, and even AP sabot rounds, like Winchester/Olin's SLAP .308 and Bofors Carl Gustaf's XM995 5.56 and XM993 .308. Please realize that I'm not talking about a vest that utilizes a hard tactical chest plate. I'm talking about a vest whose entire surface, inlcluding front, back, and side panels, can withstand more than a standard level IV hard armor tactical plate, while remaining flexible. Sound too good to be true?
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SABOTS for shooting
SABOTS for shooting
By the way, I found out the correct pronounciation is SA-BO with long A and long O sounds, being French in origin.
What exactly are Sabots? They are little plastic looking jackets (actually nylon) that are .308 caliber in outside diameter and hold a .22 caliber bullet in the "fingers". When crimped in a .30 caliber case, like a 30-06, 30/30 or a .308 it holds the bullet in tightly.
The illustration (next to a standard .30 cal bullet) is a Hornady .224 VMAX, 55 grain bullet and the .22/.308 sabot. The sabot weighs 6 grains. Now we have a total bullet weight of 61 grains, but the slick side of the sabot will offer very little resistance in the rifling of the gun barrel.
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By the way, I found out the correct pronounciation is SA-BO with long A and long O sounds, being French in origin.
What exactly are Sabots? They are little plastic looking jackets (actually nylon) that are .308 caliber in outside diameter and hold a .22 caliber bullet in the "fingers". When crimped in a .30 caliber case, like a 30-06, 30/30 or a .308 it holds the bullet in tightly.
The illustration (next to a standard .30 cal bullet) is a Hornady .224 VMAX, 55 grain bullet and the .22/.308 sabot. The sabot weighs 6 grains. Now we have a total bullet weight of 61 grains, but the slick side of the sabot will offer very little resistance in the rifling of the gun barrel.
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Thursday, June 09, 2005
Saubier.com article on a well organized reloading bench
Saubier.com
My Reloading Bench
I wish that I had a picture of my first reloading bench. I will try to describe it briefly but cant possibly do it justice. The bench was small in size maybe 4 feet wide. I had all of my reloading essentials not even some of the things that most would consider essential in a plastic bin with a lid. In the bin, my supplies consisted of a few boxes of bullets, 2 or 3 pounds of powder, a wilson case trimmer, 1 reloading manual, dial calipers, a powder trickler, a .17 cal funnel, an RCBS scale, a Wilson chamfering tool, and a RCBS primer pocket wire brush gizmo. Behind the bench was a single target taped to the concrete block exterior wall. This target was a trophy to me at the time, but I couldnt even tell you where it is at this point. The Rockchucker press was mounted to the bench, and a Lee Perfect Powder Measure was mounted to a board for powder dispensing. When I first began reloading, I didn't even have the powder measure and I had to literally trickle the entire charge. I have a few small children and have to prioritize and limit my spending on reloading stuff. I was able to load quality ammunition even at my rather confined space with the limited equipment that I had.
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My Reloading Bench
I wish that I had a picture of my first reloading bench. I will try to describe it briefly but cant possibly do it justice. The bench was small in size maybe 4 feet wide. I had all of my reloading essentials not even some of the things that most would consider essential in a plastic bin with a lid. In the bin, my supplies consisted of a few boxes of bullets, 2 or 3 pounds of powder, a wilson case trimmer, 1 reloading manual, dial calipers, a powder trickler, a .17 cal funnel, an RCBS scale, a Wilson chamfering tool, and a RCBS primer pocket wire brush gizmo. Behind the bench was a single target taped to the concrete block exterior wall. This target was a trophy to me at the time, but I couldnt even tell you where it is at this point. The Rockchucker press was mounted to the bench, and a Lee Perfect Powder Measure was mounted to a board for powder dispensing. When I first began reloading, I didn't even have the powder measure and I had to literally trickle the entire charge. I have a few small children and have to prioritize and limit my spending on reloading stuff. I was able to load quality ammunition even at my rather confined space with the limited equipment that I had.
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TheFiringLine Forums - New Pistol and cartridge by FN
I probably already blogged this, but it is a pretty good re-hash of various points of view.
TheFiringLine Forums - New Pistol and cartridge by FN
TheFiringLine Forums - New Pistol and cartridge by FN
Tuesday, June 07, 2005
Monday, June 06, 2005
P90, FN Herstal, Five-seveN, Tokyo Marui, Triple Rail, Stargate, CQB, 5-7 x 28mm, P90TR
I'm certain I've already blogged this site, but it's got lots of useful information (mostly P90-related.)
P90, FN Herstal, Five-seveN, Tokyo Marui, Triple Rail, Stargate, CQB, 5-7 x 28mm, P90TR
P90, FN Herstal, Five-seveN, Tokyo Marui, Triple Rail, Stargate, CQB, 5-7 x 28mm, P90TR
Friday, June 03, 2005
Fiocchi Ammunition USA
Fioccihi is rumored to be tooling up to produce 5.7x28mm ammo in the near future.
Fiocchi Ammunition USA Newsletter
Fiocchi Ammunition USA Newsletter
Sidearmor: Kydex Holsters, Shotgun Equipment, Rifle Equipment and firearms accessories
I've probably already noted this, but Sidearmor produces a Kydex holster for the USG model.
Sidearmor: Kydex Holsters, Shotgun Equipment, Rifle Equipment and firearms accessories
Sidearmor: Kydex Holsters, Shotgun Equipment, Rifle Equipment and firearms accessories
Thursday, June 02, 2005
Modern Warfare: Firearms 101 - Small Arms Ammunition || kuro5hin.org
Modern Warfare: Firearms 101 - Small Arms Ammunition || kuro5hin.org: "5.7"
Types of Ammunition
The two main kinds of ammunition are are the cartridge, and the shell.
A cartridge consists of a bullet, a shell casing (sometimes referred to as a casing or a shell, but not to be too confused with the shell), a charge, and a percussion cap (also known as the primer cap). The percussion cap is inserted into the base of the shell, and then a carefully measured quantity of charge is poured into the shell. Finally, the bullet is inserted into the open end of the shell casing, which is crimped onto the bullet.
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Types of Ammunition
The two main kinds of ammunition are are the cartridge, and the shell.
A cartridge consists of a bullet, a shell casing (sometimes referred to as a casing or a shell, but not to be too confused with the shell), a charge, and a percussion cap (also known as the primer cap). The percussion cap is inserted into the base of the shell, and then a carefully measured quantity of charge is poured into the shell. Finally, the bullet is inserted into the open end of the shell casing, which is crimped onto the bullet.
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American Handgunner: SPEAKOUT
American Handgunner: SPEAKOUT
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.30 Mauser Vs. 5.7mm
So what's the big deal about the 5.7mm? Years ago I had a Broomhandle Mauser. Being young and foolish--and I would not recommend this to anyone unless they did some pricey research on reloading data which wasn't available at the time -- we stuffed that bottle neck cartridge full of Bullseye and crimped in a spitzer bullet.
Needless to say it, played havoc on the trees about the old homestead and completely decimated rabbits. I seriously doubt there is any body armor that would withstand the combination. This was long before anyone came up with the idea of the .44 Magnum.
The plus side was we learned respect for firearms and it kept us outside in the fresh air and off the streets. No one ever got in any trouble with the law and we moved on to productive lives. Just maybe the fact our parents gave us the trust to know the rules, and obey them, had some bearing on the rest.
Dianne White
Merritt Island, Fla.
Deja Vu Again
Wow! I just read Charlie Petty's excellent article on the FN Five-seveN and the new 5.7mm cartridge it was designed around. Awesome, but...
Something struck me as familiar about the 5.7x28. What could it be? Then I remembered: the "Wildcat" chapter in Cartridges of the World. There it was on page 141 of my 5th edition--the MMJ 5.7mm. Back in 1963 Melvin Johnson, the rifle and machinegun designer, had necked down a .30 carbine case for a 40 gr. .224 bullet and rechambered an M1 carbine to shoot it.
He claimed 3,000 fps from the carbine barrel with a case 33mm long. Now FN shortens the case by 5mm, uses a lighter projectile and gets lower velocity from a shorter barrel. Deja vu all over again.
It seems there really is nothing new under the sun, just lots and lots of variations on a theme.
William Pollitt
Weare, N.H.
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.30 Mauser Vs. 5.7mm
So what's the big deal about the 5.7mm? Years ago I had a Broomhandle Mauser. Being young and foolish--and I would not recommend this to anyone unless they did some pricey research on reloading data which wasn't available at the time -- we stuffed that bottle neck cartridge full of Bullseye and crimped in a spitzer bullet.
Needless to say it, played havoc on the trees about the old homestead and completely decimated rabbits. I seriously doubt there is any body armor that would withstand the combination. This was long before anyone came up with the idea of the .44 Magnum.
The plus side was we learned respect for firearms and it kept us outside in the fresh air and off the streets. No one ever got in any trouble with the law and we moved on to productive lives. Just maybe the fact our parents gave us the trust to know the rules, and obey them, had some bearing on the rest.
Dianne White
Merritt Island, Fla.
Deja Vu Again
Wow! I just read Charlie Petty's excellent article on the FN Five-seveN and the new 5.7mm cartridge it was designed around. Awesome, but...
Something struck me as familiar about the 5.7x28. What could it be? Then I remembered: the "Wildcat" chapter in Cartridges of the World. There it was on page 141 of my 5th edition--the MMJ 5.7mm. Back in 1963 Melvin Johnson, the rifle and machinegun designer, had necked down a .30 carbine case for a 40 gr. .224 bullet and rechambered an M1 carbine to shoot it.
He claimed 3,000 fps from the carbine barrel with a case 33mm long. Now FN shortens the case by 5mm, uses a lighter projectile and gets lower velocity from a shorter barrel. Deja vu all over again.
It seems there really is nothing new under the sun, just lots and lots of variations on a theme.
William Pollitt
Weare, N.H.
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Wednesday, June 01, 2005
Sunsetguns - Gemtech Products SP-90 and S-FN57
Just text, no photos of the units in question.
Gemtech Products: "P90"
HORNET
PHYSICAL SPECIFICATIONS: Caliber .22 Hornet, .22 Magnum Full Auto .22LR O.A. Length 6 inch (152 mm) Diameter 1.375 inch (35 mm) Weight 15 ounces (425 gm) Degree of Suppression 30 dB Construction Materials 100% Stainless Standard Finish Black Oxide
A by-product of the development of the SP-90 suppressor, the HORNET utilizes the same computer-optimized baffle stack of the highly successful SP-90 in a unit designed to mount solely on the weapon's muzzle threads. The HORNET is designed specifically for the popular .22 Hornet cartridge, the .22 Magnum, and fully automatic .22 rimfire applications. The HORNET features compact size to minimize its perceived presence while significantly reducing both sound levels and muzzle flash. It is available for the standard .22 caliber muzzle thread (1/2x28) found on the American-180 .22LR submachine gun. This same popular thread can be machined on almost any .22 caliber rifle. It is manufactured from stainless steels and features a black oxide finish. Muzzle velocity and accuracy are not adversely affected by this suppressor. The HORNET can be partially disassembled for cleaning.
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It features the patented Gemtech Bi-Lock™ mounting system on a proprietary Bi-Lock™ flash hider on the P90 PDW. The sup-pressor measures a scant 7.25 inches in length by 1.37 inches in diameter, and reduces the sound level of the weapon by approximately 33 dB, varying slightly with the ammunition used. This robust unit is manufactured from 100% stainless steels, features a matte black oxide finish, and can be used with all 5.7x28 ammunition without damage to the weapon. The SP-90 exceeds military salt water test requirements. It is rated for Also available is the S-FN57 suppressor. It was specifically designed for the new FN-57 pistol in caliber 5.7x28mm, which uses the same ammunition as the P90 submachine gun. This suppressor is available through FN Manufacturing, Inc.
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Gemtech Products: "P90"
HORNET
PHYSICAL SPECIFICATIONS: Caliber .22 Hornet, .22 Magnum Full Auto .22LR O.A. Length 6 inch (152 mm) Diameter 1.375 inch (35 mm) Weight 15 ounces (425 gm) Degree of Suppression 30 dB Construction Materials 100% Stainless Standard Finish Black Oxide
A by-product of the development of the SP-90 suppressor, the HORNET utilizes the same computer-optimized baffle stack of the highly successful SP-90 in a unit designed to mount solely on the weapon's muzzle threads. The HORNET is designed specifically for the popular .22 Hornet cartridge, the .22 Magnum, and fully automatic .22 rimfire applications. The HORNET features compact size to minimize its perceived presence while significantly reducing both sound levels and muzzle flash. It is available for the standard .22 caliber muzzle thread (1/2x28) found on the American-180 .22LR submachine gun. This same popular thread can be machined on almost any .22 caliber rifle. It is manufactured from stainless steels and features a black oxide finish. Muzzle velocity and accuracy are not adversely affected by this suppressor. The HORNET can be partially disassembled for cleaning.
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It features the patented Gemtech Bi-Lock™ mounting system on a proprietary Bi-Lock™ flash hider on the P90 PDW. The sup-pressor measures a scant 7.25 inches in length by 1.37 inches in diameter, and reduces the sound level of the weapon by approximately 33 dB, varying slightly with the ammunition used. This robust unit is manufactured from 100% stainless steels, features a matte black oxide finish, and can be used with all 5.7x28 ammunition without damage to the weapon. The SP-90 exceeds military salt water test requirements. It is rated for Also available is the S-FN57 suppressor. It was specifically designed for the new FN-57 pistol in caliber 5.7x28mm, which uses the same ammunition as the P90 submachine gun. This suppressor is available through FN Manufacturing, Inc.
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