More load data. Follow the link for a readable version.
5.7x28mm FN - AmmoGuide Interactive: "Loads 1 to 12 (of 12):
Bullet Make
& Wt. (grs) Powder
Type Charge
(grains) Muzzle
Vel. (fps) K. E.
(ft-lbs) Owner
30 Berger --Subscribers Only--
1869
232
View
popres
30 Berger --Subscribers Only--
1875
234
View
tazz89103 Recently added
30 Berger --Subscribers Only--
1960
256
View
tazz89103 Recently added
30 Berger --Subscribers Only--
1980
261
View
tazz89103 Recently added
33 Speer --Subscribers Only--
1717
216
View
tazz89103 Recently added
33 Speer --Subscribers Only--
2090
320
View
tazz89103 Recently added
35 Berger --Subscribers Only--
1850
266
View
tazz89103 Recently added
35 Hornady --Subscribers Only--
1884
275
View
sevenof7
40 Hornady --Subscribers Only--
1650
241
View
tazz89103 Recently added
40 Hornady --Subscribers Only--
1854
305
View
tazz89103 Recently added
46 Winchester --Subscribers Only--
1215
150
View
tazz89103 Recently added
50 Winchester --Subscribers Only--
950
100
View
tazz89103 Recently added "
My notes (and other findings) related to the FN 5.7x28mm Weapon System (Ammunition, Five-seveN pistol, P90 PDW, PS90 carbine, CMMG Banshee Mk57, SCHV weapons in general, conversion of other weapons, accessories, reloading, etc.)
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Thursday, February 01, 2007
Monday, January 22, 2007
RamShot Load Data
Another set of official load data.
Follow the link in the title for properly formatted version.
Western Powders Inc
Ramshot powders
Caliber:
5.7mmx28 FN
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
Start
Start
Max
Max
Max
Weight
make
Designation
Load
Velocity
Load
Velocity
Pressure
COL
Grains
or type
(grains)
(Fps)
(grains)
(psi)
(Inches)
Barrel: 5"
Twist: 1 in 9"
Primer: WSR or WSP(see note 4 below)
Bullet diameter: .224"
Case length
Min: 1.123"
Max: 1.143"
Max COL: 1.590"
True Blue
35
Hornady
V-Max FB
5.7
1923
6.4
2077
45500
1.491
True Blue
40
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.6
1813
6.3
1961
45300
1.456
True Blue
45
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.4
1700
6.1
1858
45600
1.490
Special Notes:
1) This is an extremely sensitive caliber, please adhere closely to indicated loads and COL guidelines.
2) Allways begin loading at the MINIMUM "START" load and increase with 0.1grain increments
3) We strongly recommend using only FLATBASE bullets (especially in the Handgun)
4) When SP primers are to be used, a slightly lower performance can be expected
5) Add 10% to the above published velocities for the 10" barrel of the FN P90 PDW weapon
6) Excessive muzzle blast and flash is normal with this caliber
Follow the link in the title for properly formatted version.
Western Powders Inc
Ramshot powders
Caliber:
5.7mmx28 FN
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
Start
Start
Max
Max
Max
Weight
make
Designation
Load
Velocity
Load
Velocity
Pressure
COL
Grains
or type
(grains)
(Fps)
(grains)
(psi)
(Inches)
Barrel: 5"
Twist: 1 in 9"
Primer: WSR or WSP(see note 4 below)
Bullet diameter: .224"
Case length
Min: 1.123"
Max: 1.143"
Max COL: 1.590"
True Blue
35
Hornady
V-Max FB
5.7
1923
6.4
2077
45500
1.491
True Blue
40
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.6
1813
6.3
1961
45300
1.456
True Blue
45
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.4
1700
6.1
1858
45600
1.490
Special Notes:
1) This is an extremely sensitive caliber, please adhere closely to indicated loads and COL guidelines.
2) Allways begin loading at the MINIMUM "START" load and increase with 0.1grain increments
3) We strongly recommend using only FLATBASE bullets (especially in the Handgun)
4) When SP primers are to be used, a slightly lower performance can be expected
5) Add 10% to the above published velocities for the 10" barrel of the FN P90 PDW weapon
6) Excessive muzzle blast and flash is normal with this caliber
Monday, January 15, 2007
Accurate powders load data for the 5.7x28mm
Follow the link above for the readable PDF version
Western Powders Inc
Accurate powders
Caliber:
5.7mmx28 FN
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
Start
Start
Max
Max
Max
Weight
make
Designation
Load
Velocity
Load
Velocity
Pressure
COL
Grains
or type
(grains)
(Fps)
(grains)
(Psi)
(Inches)
Barrel: 5"
Twist: 1 in 9
Primer:WSR or WSP(see note 4 below)
Bullet diameter:.224"
Case length
Min: 1.123"
Max: 1.143"
Max COL: 1.590"
No 5
35
Hornady
V-Max FB
6.0
1955
6.7
2100
45500
1.491
No 5
40
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.8
1850
6.5
1975
45200
1.456
No 5
45
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.7
1740
6.4
1875
45400
1.490
No 7
35
Hornady
V-Max FB
7.4
2041
8.2
2197
45200
1.491
No 7
40
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
7.0
1896
7.7
2044
45100
1.456
No 7
45
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
6.7
1782
7.4
1913
45400
1.490
Special Notes:
1) This is an extremely sensitive caliber, please adhere closely to indicated loads and COL guidelines.
2) Allways begin loading at the MINIMUM "START" load and increase with 0.1grain increments
3) We strongly recommend using only FLATBASE bullets (especially in the Handgun)
4) When SP primers are used slightly lower performance can be expected
5) Add 10% to the above published velocities for the 10" barrel of the FN P90 PDW weapon
6) Excessive muzzle blast and flash is normal for this caliber
Western Powders Inc
Accurate powders
Caliber:
5.7mmx28 FN
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
Start
Start
Max
Max
Max
Weight
make
Designation
Load
Velocity
Load
Velocity
Pressure
COL
Grains
or type
(grains)
(Fps)
(grains)
(Psi)
(Inches)
Barrel: 5"
Twist: 1 in 9
Primer:WSR or WSP(see note 4 below)
Bullet diameter:.224"
Case length
Min: 1.123"
Max: 1.143"
Max COL: 1.590"
No 5
35
Hornady
V-Max FB
6.0
1955
6.7
2100
45500
1.491
No 5
40
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.8
1850
6.5
1975
45200
1.456
No 5
45
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
5.7
1740
6.4
1875
45400
1.490
No 7
35
Hornady
V-Max FB
7.4
2041
8.2
2197
45200
1.491
No 7
40
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
7.0
1896
7.7
2044
45100
1.456
No 7
45
Sierra
SP-Hornet FB
6.7
1782
7.4
1913
45400
1.490
Special Notes:
1) This is an extremely sensitive caliber, please adhere closely to indicated loads and COL guidelines.
2) Allways begin loading at the MINIMUM "START" load and increase with 0.1grain increments
3) We strongly recommend using only FLATBASE bullets (especially in the Handgun)
4) When SP primers are used slightly lower performance can be expected
5) Add 10% to the above published velocities for the 10" barrel of the FN P90 PDW weapon
6) Excessive muzzle blast and flash is normal for this caliber
Saturday, December 16, 2006
PS90Forum :: View topic - 5.7 AMMO DESIGNATIONS AND VELOCITIES FROM FN-STYLE WEAPONS
PS90Forum :: View topic - 5.7 AMMO DESIGNATIONS AND VELOCITIES FROM FN-STYLE WEAPONS:
Posted on ps90forum by wildeye111
"FN used and continue to use with Fiocchi a powder from Western Powders- label of 'RAMSHOT' for all of their factory loads. They use only two of the RAMSHOT line, these are Zip and True Blue.
SS190- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS191- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS192- 6.5 grains- True Blue
SS193- 2.0 grains- Zip
SS195- 7.0 grains- True Blue
SS196- 4.0 grains- True Blue
SS197- 5.5 grains- True Blue
And you ask...how and why Western Powders....
FN used/uses a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/ which is a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders and.......thus RAMSHOT."
Posted on ps90forum by wildeye111
"FN used and continue to use with Fiocchi a powder from Western Powders- label of 'RAMSHOT' for all of their factory loads. They use only two of the RAMSHOT line, these are Zip and True Blue.
SS190- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS191- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS192- 6.5 grains- True Blue
SS193- 2.0 grains- Zip
SS195- 7.0 grains- True Blue
SS196- 4.0 grains- True Blue
SS197- 5.5 grains- True Blue
And you ask...how and why Western Powders....
FN used/uses a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/ which is a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders and.......thus RAMSHOT."
Labels:
Ammo/Ballistics,
Handloading/Reloading,
L191,
Load Data,
SB193,
SS190,
SS192,
SS195LF,
SS196SR,
SS197SR
Thursday, November 16, 2006
Loading Data for 5.7x28
Loading Data for 5.7x28: "Loading Data for 5.7x28
Posted By: richard
Date: Wednesday, 9 February 2005, at 12:45 pm "
Posted By: richard
Date: Wednesday, 9 February 2005, at 12:45 pm "
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
ArmsLocker Forums - Reloading the 5.7x28
LONG thread on reloading the 5.7x28mm
ArmsLocker Forums - Reloading the 5.7x28: " ArmsLocker Forums > Arms & Armament > Ammunition & Reloading
Reloading the 5.7x28 "
ArmsLocker Forums - Reloading the 5.7x28: " ArmsLocker Forums > Arms & Armament > Ammunition & Reloading
Reloading the 5.7x28 "
Thursday, April 13, 2006
Friday, April 07, 2006
FN FiveseveN Forums - New To 5.7x28
Posted by wildeye111:
FN FiveseveN Forums - New To 5.7x28: "I have some info concerning the original powder mfg that FN used/using. FIOCCHI is still using this same powder as well now that they have the contract from FN ref website: http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm.
FN used a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont their site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/v_h01/index_swf.html, they are a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders under the brand name of RAMSHOT. FN nor Western Powders will not give out this info, I have verified that TRUE BLUE is the actual powder used for all 5.7 rounds.
Charge weight ranges from 5.0 to 6.5 grains depending on what round it is; such as the SS192, SS190, SS195, SS196 and so on. I pulled the bullets from these rounds and then weighed the powder from each."
FN FiveseveN Forums - New To 5.7x28: "I have some info concerning the original powder mfg that FN used/using. FIOCCHI is still using this same powder as well now that they have the contract from FN ref website: http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm.
FN used a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont their site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/v_h01/index_swf.html, they are a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders under the brand name of RAMSHOT. FN nor Western Powders will not give out this info, I have verified that TRUE BLUE is the actual powder used for all 5.7 rounds.
Charge weight ranges from 5.0 to 6.5 grains depending on what round it is; such as the SS192, SS190, SS195, SS196 and so on. I pulled the bullets from these rounds and then weighed the powder from each."
Labels:
Ammo/Ballistics,
Load Data,
Loading Components,
Wildey111
Thursday, March 02, 2006
5.7x28mm FN P90 @ www.reloadersnest.com
ReloadersNest has some 5.7x28mm load data!
http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage_handgun.asp?CaliberID=57
http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage_handgun.asp?CaliberID=57
Monday, January 30, 2006
FN FiveseveN Forums - 55 grain loads
Posted by Rnelson11:
FN FiveseveN Forums - 55 grain loads: "In FiveseveN Pistol
55 grain Sierra Gameking, HS6 powder, CCI small rifle primers, 1x and 2x fired cases.
3.4 grains - Avg 957 - 1001, 914
3.6 grains - Avg 1032 - 1072, 992
3.7 grains - Avg 1062 - 1020, 1022, 1094, 1111
3.8 grains - Avg 1085 - 1103, 1066
3.9 grains - Avg 1090 - 1063, 1139, 1068
4.0 grains - Avg 1114 - 1141, 1134, 1079, 1110, 1099, 1119
4.1 grains - Avg 1157 - 1098, 1216
4.3 grains - Avg 1229 - 1229, 1222, 1247, 1220
4.5 grains - Avg 1314 - 1325, 1342, 1315, 1293, 1299
4.7 grains - Avg 1296 - 1292, 1293, 1320, 1290, 1285
4.9 grains - Avg 1375 - 1323, 1365, 1438
Primers started to crater at 4.3 grains and the shoulders moved about like factory rounds at 4.5 grains.
No flatening of the primers at all (I do use Locktite 609 on all primers for the 5.7x28).
I saw no signs of overpressure. The overall length of the cases increased slightly from 4.0 to 4.9 (.003 Avg) and I also checked the diameter of the case just above the rim and there was no change at all.
The lighter weight charges hit about 6' low but once I reaches 4.3 grains they started to come up closer to factory rounds.
I can not explain what happened at 4.7 grains but I plan to re-test these and go up to 5.5 grains. It is suppose to rain today so it may be next weekend before I can test anymore."
FN FiveseveN Forums - 55 grain loads: "In FiveseveN Pistol
55 grain Sierra Gameking, HS6 powder, CCI small rifle primers, 1x and 2x fired cases.
3.4 grains - Avg 957 - 1001, 914
3.6 grains - Avg 1032 - 1072, 992
3.7 grains - Avg 1062 - 1020, 1022, 1094, 1111
3.8 grains - Avg 1085 - 1103, 1066
3.9 grains - Avg 1090 - 1063, 1139, 1068
4.0 grains - Avg 1114 - 1141, 1134, 1079, 1110, 1099, 1119
4.1 grains - Avg 1157 - 1098, 1216
4.3 grains - Avg 1229 - 1229, 1222, 1247, 1220
4.5 grains - Avg 1314 - 1325, 1342, 1315, 1293, 1299
4.7 grains - Avg 1296 - 1292, 1293, 1320, 1290, 1285
4.9 grains - Avg 1375 - 1323, 1365, 1438
Primers started to crater at 4.3 grains and the shoulders moved about like factory rounds at 4.5 grains.
No flatening of the primers at all (I do use Locktite 609 on all primers for the 5.7x28).
I saw no signs of overpressure. The overall length of the cases increased slightly from 4.0 to 4.9 (.003 Avg) and I also checked the diameter of the case just above the rim and there was no change at all.
The lighter weight charges hit about 6' low but once I reaches 4.3 grains they started to come up closer to factory rounds.
I can not explain what happened at 4.7 grains but I plan to re-test these and go up to 5.5 grains. It is suppose to rain today so it may be next weekend before I can test anymore."
Labels:
Ammo/Ballistics,
Handloading/Reloading,
Load Data
Sunday, January 29, 2006
ArmsLocker Forums - Reloading the 5.7x28
A 20+ page thread on reloading, including getting the lead out of SS109s
ArmsLocker Forums - Reloading the 5.7x28
ArmsLocker Forums - Reloading the 5.7x28
Labels:
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Handloading/Reloading,
Load Data
Tuesday, December 06, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - Hi!
Posted by Medula Oblongota:
FN FiveseveN Forums - Hi!: "Reliability of the FiveseveN is phenomenal. I finally shout out the factory FiveseveN barrel a couple of weeks ago at 'only' 40,050 rounds (99% handloads). The only stoppages I had were from short ogive bullets seated too long, a few times where I didn't debur the outside of the neck enough, and one bad lot of Remington 7 1/2 br primers where 20% failed to ignite (Remington replaced the primers and recalled the lot). I had a couple of pierced primers from REALLY hot loads, but was unable to find any damage to the gun no matter what I fed it.
I have had excellent experiences with Viht 3N37, Hodgdon HS-6, and Ramshot True-Blue powders. Incidentally, I just disected a few SS195LF rounds and have determined that the powder appears to be either Ramshot True-Blue or Ramshot Zip @ precisely 6.5 grains (hard to tell without factor load data, which FN refuses to release). I loaded a few rounds about a year ago with Blue Dot, but after looking at the large amount of powder fouling (Blue Dot is a VERY dirty powder because of the large amount of graphite in it) decided not to use it any more.
The bullets to use are .224 diameter. SS195LF uses a 27.3 (average of 25 pulled SS195LF rounds) grain bullet, but I have used as heavy as 77 (longer than mag length and must be loaded singly). The 35 grain VMax is excellent, but hard to load because of its flat base. I prefer the 40grn VMax and Nosler Ballistic tip rounds because they are boat-tailed. But anything you want to use anywhere from 30-46 is pretty safe. Check the cases for excessive pressure before increasing powder weight, and of course, start low and work up to maximum. Check out the reloading forum for load data.
Cleaning of the FiveseveN is a snap, and with the correct powders I went approximately 2000 rounds between"
FN FiveseveN Forums - Hi!: "Reliability of the FiveseveN is phenomenal. I finally shout out the factory FiveseveN barrel a couple of weeks ago at 'only' 40,050 rounds (99% handloads). The only stoppages I had were from short ogive bullets seated too long, a few times where I didn't debur the outside of the neck enough, and one bad lot of Remington 7 1/2 br primers where 20% failed to ignite (Remington replaced the primers and recalled the lot). I had a couple of pierced primers from REALLY hot loads, but was unable to find any damage to the gun no matter what I fed it.
I have had excellent experiences with Viht 3N37, Hodgdon HS-6, and Ramshot True-Blue powders. Incidentally, I just disected a few SS195LF rounds and have determined that the powder appears to be either Ramshot True-Blue or Ramshot Zip @ precisely 6.5 grains (hard to tell without factor load data, which FN refuses to release). I loaded a few rounds about a year ago with Blue Dot, but after looking at the large amount of powder fouling (Blue Dot is a VERY dirty powder because of the large amount of graphite in it) decided not to use it any more.
The bullets to use are .224 diameter. SS195LF uses a 27.3 (average of 25 pulled SS195LF rounds) grain bullet, but I have used as heavy as 77 (longer than mag length and must be loaded singly). The 35 grain VMax is excellent, but hard to load because of its flat base. I prefer the 40grn VMax and Nosler Ballistic tip rounds because they are boat-tailed. But anything you want to use anywhere from 30-46 is pretty safe. Check the cases for excessive pressure before increasing powder weight, and of course, start low and work up to maximum. Check out the reloading forum for load data.
Cleaning of the FiveseveN is a snap, and with the correct powders I went approximately 2000 rounds between"
Monday, October 24, 2005
Monday, September 12, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - H110 horror story
[Editor's note:
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
Originally posted by snw19.
FN FiveseveN Forums - H110 horror story: "I first started to reload for this caliber for the following reasons:
1) Only available round (I can get) for this caliber was the SS192 that has no expansion for hunting and is worthless as a defensive round. A friend of mine shot a Havelina with one and the exit wound (after he killed it with his .41 mag) from the SS192 was barely larger than the entry, didn�t even make it jump.
2) Ammo was becoming less and less available, prices were doubling every week. Not very cost effective if I wanted to become proficient with it.
3) The release of the SS196 kept on getting pushed further back. Besides, what can I do with a 40gr bullet at 1600 fps that my .357 and its 125gr bullet traveling 1450 fps or a 115gr 9mm going 1350 fps isn�t going to do better?
Since there was no data available anywhere that I could find, I grabbed my book and started looking at cartridges that were �close� to this one. Published info that I had found was that ��powder charge of 6.5 grs, using a very small-grained ball powder propels the 31gr bullet at a measured 2329 fps from the P-90�s 9.8� barrel.� Okay. Some of the best velocity vs pressure for the 22 Hornet and 218 Bee use Hodgdon H110. Hey, I have some of that I used to use in my .357 and .44. Wow, that�s the smallest grain ball powder I have ever seen. I�ll try it�
Since 10gr of H110 push a 40 grain bullet 2570 fps out of a 22 Hornet and the SS196s are supposed to go 1600fps, I loaded two rounds each of 5.75, 6.0, 6.25, and 6.5 grains. Grabbed the chrono and a friend to catch the brass for me (only had 99 then) and went out. First round at 5.75 fired showed 840 fps, case flopped out like a fish. There was also some pretty heavy recoil, primer fine. Second round fired showed error, case barely made "
[Editor's note: (just in case you missed the same verbiage at the top)
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
Originally posted by snw19.
FN FiveseveN Forums - H110 horror story: "I first started to reload for this caliber for the following reasons:
1) Only available round (I can get) for this caliber was the SS192 that has no expansion for hunting and is worthless as a defensive round. A friend of mine shot a Havelina with one and the exit wound (after he killed it with his .41 mag) from the SS192 was barely larger than the entry, didn�t even make it jump.
2) Ammo was becoming less and less available, prices were doubling every week. Not very cost effective if I wanted to become proficient with it.
3) The release of the SS196 kept on getting pushed further back. Besides, what can I do with a 40gr bullet at 1600 fps that my .357 and its 125gr bullet traveling 1450 fps or a 115gr 9mm going 1350 fps isn�t going to do better?
Since there was no data available anywhere that I could find, I grabbed my book and started looking at cartridges that were �close� to this one. Published info that I had found was that ��powder charge of 6.5 grs, using a very small-grained ball powder propels the 31gr bullet at a measured 2329 fps from the P-90�s 9.8� barrel.� Okay. Some of the best velocity vs pressure for the 22 Hornet and 218 Bee use Hodgdon H110. Hey, I have some of that I used to use in my .357 and .44. Wow, that�s the smallest grain ball powder I have ever seen. I�ll try it�
Since 10gr of H110 push a 40 grain bullet 2570 fps out of a 22 Hornet and the SS196s are supposed to go 1600fps, I loaded two rounds each of 5.75, 6.0, 6.25, and 6.5 grains. Grabbed the chrono and a friend to catch the brass for me (only had 99 then) and went out. First round at 5.75 fired showed 840 fps, case flopped out like a fish. There was also some pretty heavy recoil, primer fine. Second round fired showed error, case barely made "
[Editor's note: (just in case you missed the same verbiage at the top)
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
Labels:
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Wednesday, September 07, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - Problem with ejecting case or cycling...
Rnelson11's notes...
FN FiveseveN Forums - Problem with ejecting case or cycling...: "I've been off work a couple of days so I've spent a lot of time trying to address this problem. I started a new tread because I have a bit of new information.
First, I've had a few cases that extended out of the barrel further than the factory rounds but if I lube them well they are almost exactly the same as factory (.128'-.130'). I had one that was .164' and the breech would not fully close so the firing pin only slightly marked it. When this happens the slide sticks back about 1/16' and the round does not fire. But let me also say that an extended shoulder is not the only thing that will cause this (read on).
I had 20 rounds loaded today (10-35gr V-Max w/6.6gr of HS-6 and 10-40gr V-Maxw/6.7gr of HS-6) so I rode down to the woods to test them. I shot 5 of the 35 gr bullets and only 2 ejected so I saved the rest to check when I got back to the house. I shot 9 of the 40 gr bullets (the primer fell out of one) and only about half ejected. These cases have been fired about 8 times using a lot of different powder weights.
When I got to the house I started checking the rounds and noticed that the rims were beaten up pretty bad. I checked them with my micrometer and they were as much as .313' diameter, the factory rounds were .304'. I assume they flattened and pancaked from slamming against the breech when fired. I also noticed several with deep cuts which I assume came from being ejected. I spun the remaining 5 on a file and got then back to about .304'-.305' and de-burred the top and bottom of the rim. I went back to the woods and all 5 rounds fired and ejected.
I think that the damaged and 'pancaked' rims are preventing the ejection lever (hook) from catching the rim when trying to jerk the casing out at high speed. I say t"
FN FiveseveN Forums - Problem with ejecting case or cycling...: "I've been off work a couple of days so I've spent a lot of time trying to address this problem. I started a new tread because I have a bit of new information.
First, I've had a few cases that extended out of the barrel further than the factory rounds but if I lube them well they are almost exactly the same as factory (.128'-.130'). I had one that was .164' and the breech would not fully close so the firing pin only slightly marked it. When this happens the slide sticks back about 1/16' and the round does not fire. But let me also say that an extended shoulder is not the only thing that will cause this (read on).
I had 20 rounds loaded today (10-35gr V-Max w/6.6gr of HS-6 and 10-40gr V-Maxw/6.7gr of HS-6) so I rode down to the woods to test them. I shot 5 of the 35 gr bullets and only 2 ejected so I saved the rest to check when I got back to the house. I shot 9 of the 40 gr bullets (the primer fell out of one) and only about half ejected. These cases have been fired about 8 times using a lot of different powder weights.
When I got to the house I started checking the rounds and noticed that the rims were beaten up pretty bad. I checked them with my micrometer and they were as much as .313' diameter, the factory rounds were .304'. I assume they flattened and pancaked from slamming against the breech when fired. I also noticed several with deep cuts which I assume came from being ejected. I spun the remaining 5 on a file and got then back to about .304'-.305' and de-burred the top and bottom of the rim. I went back to the woods and all 5 rounds fired and ejected.
I think that the damaged and 'pancaked' rims are preventing the ejection lever (hook) from catching the rim when trying to jerk the casing out at high speed. I say t"
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Sunday, August 07, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???
Posted by benb:
FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???: "I finally got to pull 5 40gr VMax bullets from some SS196.
The powder charge is a very consistant 4.6 grains of a very fine gray powder. I've never seen anything like it before. The case is only abount half full. The bullet is sealed in the case with some kind of sealer or adhesive.
As for the Berger 30 gr vs. the 40 gr VMax:
VMax measured .683 and the Berger .615. The difference of .068 is mainly in the sharper plastic tip of the VMax versus the blunt hollow point of the Berger.
bullet picture
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005...30/DSC00410.JPG
I set my seating die using a SS196 round which had an OAL of 1.583. My reloaded Berger round measured 1.493, a difference of .090. Again, much of the difference being the sharpened VMax tip. Actually, the Berger may take up the same or more space in the case than the VMax because the Berger is flat based vs. the beveled base on the VMax.
Picture of loaded rounds
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005...30/DSC00408.jpg
My feeling at this point is (like someone else here said) that FN may have been a bit conservative and this round has more potential than what we've gotten from the factory so far. That goes for the SS192/SS195LF as well as the politically correct SS196. Just gotta find the right powder/primer. I also think the Berger 30 has great potential for this round. Still have to get to the range and check out these reloads."
FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???: "I finally got to pull 5 40gr VMax bullets from some SS196.
The powder charge is a very consistant 4.6 grains of a very fine gray powder. I've never seen anything like it before. The case is only abount half full. The bullet is sealed in the case with some kind of sealer or adhesive.
As for the Berger 30 gr vs. the 40 gr VMax:
VMax measured .683 and the Berger .615. The difference of .068 is mainly in the sharper plastic tip of the VMax versus the blunt hollow point of the Berger.
bullet picture
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005...30/DSC00410.JPG
I set my seating die using a SS196 round which had an OAL of 1.583. My reloaded Berger round measured 1.493, a difference of .090. Again, much of the difference being the sharpened VMax tip. Actually, the Berger may take up the same or more space in the case than the VMax because the Berger is flat based vs. the beveled base on the VMax.
Picture of loaded rounds
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005...30/DSC00408.jpg
My feeling at this point is (like someone else here said) that FN may have been a bit conservative and this round has more potential than what we've gotten from the factory so far. That goes for the SS192/SS195LF as well as the politically correct SS196. Just gotta find the right powder/primer. I also think the Berger 30 has great potential for this round. Still have to get to the range and check out these reloads."
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Tuesday, August 02, 2005
Sunday, July 31, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???
Posted by Rnelson11
FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???: "
The 40 grain V-Max bullets are .686' which is still less than the factory bullets.The factory 195LF bullet I pulled is .8135' and weighs 27.3 grains. I have been loading the 40 grain v-Max bullets with an OAL the same as factory which allows more room in the case since it's not seated as much. Can anyone tell me what difference this would make."
FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???: "
The 40 grain V-Max bullets are .686' which is still less than the factory bullets.The factory 195LF bullet I pulled is .8135' and weighs 27.3 grains. I have been loading the 40 grain v-Max bullets with an OAL the same as factory which allows more room in the case since it's not seated as much. Can anyone tell me what difference this would make."
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
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