PS90Forum :: View topic - 5.7 AMMO DESIGNATIONS AND VELOCITIES FROM FN-STYLE WEAPONS

PS90Forum :: View topic - 5.7 AMMO DESIGNATIONS AND VELOCITIES FROM FN-STYLE WEAPONS:

Posted on ps90forum by wildeye111

"FN used and continue to use with Fiocchi a powder from Western Powders- label of 'RAMSHOT' for all of their factory loads. They use only two of the RAMSHOT line, these are Zip and True Blue.

SS190- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS191- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS192- 6.5 grains- True Blue
SS193- 2.0 grains- Zip
SS195- 7.0 grains- True Blue
SS196- 4.0 grains- True Blue
SS197- 5.5 grains- True Blue

And you ask...how and why Western Powders....

FN used/uses a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/ which is a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders and.......thus RAMSHOT."

FN FiveseveN Forums - Chrono results ss197SR

Posted by onceA6shooter:

FN FiveseveN Forums - Chrono results ss197SR: "I chronographed some ss197 out of my 57yesterday with slightly higher results. I fired 10 rounds and It was 65-70 degrees in the AZ desert.

High 1717.4
Low 1674.6
Avg 1695.0
SD 12.3


The Standard Deviation for the group looked good compared to the 192 and 195.
SS192
SD 27.7
Avg 1967.6

SS195
SD 19.8
Avg 1964.1

I shot the 195 yesterday at the same time as the SS197, but the SS192 was shot last march just after I got my 57."

FN FiveseveN Forums - Subsonic Load?

Posted by Medula Oblongata:

FN FiveseveN Forums - Subsonic Load?: "Im in the business of knowing (and prosecuting those who don't) what AP ammo is, how it is used, and the legal ramifications thereof.

Here is some technical data from my lab manual issued by my agency:

�5.7x28mm weapon system�
FN P90 - firing on the range

SS190 (Armour Piercing) Standard Ball, 31 gr. FMJ, 2,133 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy

L191 (Tracer), 31 gr. Tracer, 2,133 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy

SS192 (Softpoint) Duty/Training, 28 gr. JHP, 2,034 fps. 50 box/2100 case Discontinued

T194 (Duty/Training), 28 gr. JHP, 2,034 fps. 50 box/2100 case Discontinued

SB193 (Subsonic), 55 gr. FMJ, 984 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy

SS196SR, 40 gr. V-Max (Replaces the SS192 round) Not sold where prohibited by law.


Here is a cross sectional cutaway of the SB193 round, it is quite obvious that it lacks ALL attributes that would classify it as AP. But the absolute kicker in this situation is the fact that as it IS a 22 cal projectile, even if it were designed solely for a pistol, it is EXEMPT from the AP law because the AP law states specifically
' (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25
percent of the total weight of the projectile...' Therefore, no matter how you cut it, it is not regulated BECAUSE IT IS NOT LARGER THAN 22 CALIBER. FN Herstal, as a policy, has decided not to sell to the public. There is no law that would stop them from doing so.

I grow tired of the argument. To quote a holl"

AA Auction 6730265 (Ends 06/23/2005, 20:21:19 PST) 2 Specimens of 5.7x28mm, SS192 & SS90 (GS-19)

AA Auction 6730265 (Ends 06/23/2005, 20:21:19 PST) 2 Specimens of 5.7x28mm, SS192 & SS90 (GS-19): "This auction is for 2 specimens, one SS90 HP Projectile Cartridge and one SS90 steel core FMJ projectile Cartridge. Limited availability! The large Cartridge in the picture is a .223 to show size comparison. Developed in the late 1980s. The 5.7 x 28 mm Cartridge is part of Belgium�s FN Herstal Small Arms innovative Weapons Systems. 5.7x28mm ammunition is lighter, recoils less than comparative 9mm weapons and penetrates over 48 layers of kevlar at 200 meters with the (SS90) steel core FMJ projectile, not the (SS192)H.P. projectile. The Five-Seven� Pistols, 5.7 x 28 mm with 20 rounds in the magazine. Fedex shipping and insurance is only $9.00 no matter how many single cartridges you buy, and you can combine auctions, or also go/to www.ammo-one.com to save on shipping cost per item! WE ACCEPT PAY-PAL, and were small enough to customize your orders! Shipping on all orders and on live ammunition is to the lower 48 States of the USA, elsewhere, please ask us. We can ship deactivated ammunition Worldwide by mail "

Oldammo.com list

: "4563 5.7 x 28 FN SB193 Subsonic, white tip pointed copper full metal jacket, brass primer, headstamp
5.7x28 FNB 03, for use by law enforcement or military with sound suppressed P90 sub machine gun
or Five-seven pistol, check the FN web page at www.fnmfg.com/lawenf/ss190/ss190.htm for info
on these and the other 5.7 x 28 cartridges $3.00
4564 5.7 x 28 FN SS192 Ball, pointed copper jacket hollow point, brass primer, headstamp
5.7x28 FNB 03, for use by law enforcement or military with P90 sub machine gun or Five-seven
pistol $2.00"

FN FiveseveN Forums - SS192 Ballistic Gelatin Penetration

FN FiveseveN Forums - SS192 Ballistic Gelatin Penetration

Ar15.Com Thread on SS195, SS196, SS192

Short version: The primary difference between the SS195 and SS192 is the lead-free primer that has been implemented in the newer cartridge.