SS196SR Sporting Round

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PS90Forum :: View topic - 5.7 AMMO DESIGNATIONS AND VELOCITIES FROM FN-STYLE WEAPONS:

Posted on ps90forum by wildeye111

"FN used and continue to use with Fiocchi a powder from Western Powders- label of 'RAMSHOT' for all of their factory loads. They use only two of the RAMSHOT line, these are Zip and True Blue.

SS190- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS191- 6.0 grains- Zip(plain tip) 6.5 grains-True Blue(black tipped)
SS192- 6.5 grains- True Blue
SS193- 2.0 grains- Zip
SS195- 7.0 grains- True Blue
SS196- 4.0 grains- True Blue
SS197- 5.5 grains- True Blue

And you ask...how and why Western Powders....

FN used/uses a Powder Manufacture called PB Clermont site:
http://www.pb-clermont.be/ which is a subsidery of Eurenco groupe SNPE from Belgium. This parent company also controls EURENCO Bofors- which is Alliant Powder in the USA, EURENCO Vihtavuori- which is Vihta Vuori distrbuted via Kaltron-Pettibone in the USA and EURENCO France- which is PB Clermont. PB Clermont distributes their powder via Western Powders and.......thus RAMSHOT."

FN FiveseveN Forums - Subsonic Load?

Posted by Medula Oblongata:

FN FiveseveN Forums - Subsonic Load?: "Im in the business of knowing (and prosecuting those who don't) what AP ammo is, how it is used, and the legal ramifications thereof.

Here is some technical data from my lab manual issued by my agency:

�5.7x28mm weapon system�
FN P90 - firing on the range

SS190 (Armour Piercing) Standard Ball, 31 gr. FMJ, 2,133 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy

L191 (Tracer), 31 gr. Tracer, 2,133 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy

SS192 (Softpoint) Duty/Training, 28 gr. JHP, 2,034 fps. 50 box/2100 case Discontinued

T194 (Duty/Training), 28 gr. JHP, 2,034 fps. 50 box/2100 case Discontinued

SB193 (Subsonic), 55 gr. FMJ, 984 fps. RESTRICTED SALE - AGENCY DROP-SHIP ONLY per FNH-USA company policy

SS196SR, 40 gr. V-Max (Replaces the SS192 round) Not sold where prohibited by law.


Here is a cross sectional cutaway of the SB193 round, it is quite obvious that it lacks ALL attributes that would classify it as AP. But the absolute kicker in this situation is the fact that as it IS a 22 cal projectile, even if it were designed solely for a pistol, it is EXEMPT from the AP law because the AP law states specifically
' (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25
percent of the total weight of the projectile...' Therefore, no matter how you cut it, it is not regulated BECAUSE IT IS NOT LARGER THAN 22 CALIBER. FN Herstal, as a policy, has decided not to sell to the public. There is no law that would stop them from doing so.

I grow tired of the argument. To quote a holl"

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FN FiveseveN Forums - Heads up ss196 in stock

This was WRT the SS196 vs SS192/SS195

FN FiveseveN Forums - Heads up ss196 in stock: "21 Clicks up



Just crank in 21 clicks up to the rear sight and she will be good to go until you find better ammo. No need to be shy about moving the rear sight."

FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???

Posted by benb:

FN FiveseveN Forums - Pull 40 gr V-MAX from ss196, replace with Berger 30gr ???: "I finally got to pull 5 40gr VMax bullets from some SS196.

The powder charge is a very consistant 4.6 grains of a very fine gray powder. I've never seen anything like it before. The case is only abount half full. The bullet is sealed in the case with some kind of sealer or adhesive.

As for the Berger 30 gr vs. the 40 gr VMax:


VMax measured .683 and the Berger .615. The difference of .068 is mainly in the sharper plastic tip of the VMax versus the blunt hollow point of the Berger.

bullet picture
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005...30/DSC00410.JPG

I set my seating die using a SS196 round which had an OAL of 1.583. My reloaded Berger round measured 1.493, a difference of .090. Again, much of the difference being the sharpened VMax tip. Actually, the Berger may take up the same or more space in the case than the VMax because the Berger is flat based vs. the beveled base on the VMax.

Picture of loaded rounds
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005...30/DSC00408.jpg

My feeling at this point is (like someone else here said) that FN may have been a bit conservative and this round has more potential than what we've gotten from the factory so far. That goes for the SS192/SS195LF as well as the politically correct SS196. Just gotta find the right powder/primer. I also think the Berger 30 has great potential for this round. Still have to get to the range and check out these reloads."

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Ar15.Com Thread on SS195, SS196, SS192

Short version: The primary difference between the SS195 and SS192 is the lead-free primer that has been implemented in the newer cartridge.

SS196SR Available from Impact (Pic & Specs)

FN 5.7x28mm SS196SR V-MAX Ammunition, 50/Box
Price: $20.13
Manufacturer: FN
Manufacturer Item #: 10700014BX
Impact Item #: 10700014BX
Out of stock: 3-4 Weeks Accepting orders.




Introducing the latest ammunition developed for the 5.7x28mm system, the SS196SR. This new round utilizes a 40 grain Hornady V-MAX projectile. The outstanding design of the 40 grain V-MAX projectile offers precise accuracy and extreme expansion even at long range, low velocity situations.

Technical Data:
Type: Sporting Round
Cartridge Weight: 105 Grains
Projectile Weight: 40 Grains
Muzzle Velocity: 1,650 ft/second
Model: SS196SR

OFFICIAL BATF Classification of Five-seveN and 5.7x28mm Ammunition

FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber
1/20/05

In response to numerous questions that ATF has received regarding the capabilities of the 5.7 X 28mm cartridge, the following technical information is provided.

FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing.

The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber.

Type: Double Action Only or Single Action (in Tactical model).
Chambering: 5.7x28mm.
Length: 208 mm
Barrel length: 122.5 mm
Magazine: 20 rounds.

The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber approved for importation as a sporting firearm.

The classification of all ammunition is governed strictly by the definitions presented in the GCA. Specifically, as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(17)(B), the term "armor piercing ammunition" means-
a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

FTB has also examined a 5.7 X 28 mm projectile that FN Herstal has designated the "SS196." The SS196 is loaded with a Hornady 40 grain, jacketed lead bullet. FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing ammunition under Federal firearms statutes.

According to FNH USA, FN Herstal tested the SS192 ammunition. SS192 ammunition did not penetrate the Level IIIA vests that were tested. FNH USA states that SS196, Hornady V-Max 40 gr. bullets fired from a 4-3/4 inch barrel did not penetrate the Level II vests that were used in testing.

FNH USA has informed FTB that SS192 is no longer imported for commercial sale to the United States and that commercial sales of 5.7 X 28mm ammunition are restricted to the SS196 (not armor piercing).

FN Herstal 5.7 X 28mm Ammunition
SS190 - Armor piercing (AP)
SS191 - AP Tracer
SS192 - Hollow Point (not AP)
SB193 - AP Subsonic
SS195 - "Green" - lead free hollow point projectile with copper jacket (not AP)SS196 - Sporting round (Hornady 40 gr. V-max, hollow point lead), (not AP)10700004 Blank (not classified as ammunition under Federal law)
10700005 Dummy

[Ed - Some of the ammunition designations don't match other sources, eg. L191, T194]