Wednesday, September 28, 2005
Discount Gun Sales
Discount Gun Sales: "
ModelDescriptionBasic
Five-SevenUSG, 5.7 x 28, 5' barrel, Adjustable Sights, three 20rd Magazines$879"
ModelDescriptionBasic
Five-SevenUSG, 5.7 x 28, 5' barrel, Adjustable Sights, three 20rd Magazines$879"
Discount Gun Sales
Discount Gun Sales: "SS196 AMMUNITION (5.7x28)
ModelDescriptionBasic
SS196* This is the newest ammunition from FN Herstal chambered in 5.7 x 28.
* Case of 500 rounds
$249"
ModelDescriptionBasic
SS196* This is the newest ammunition from FN Herstal chambered in 5.7 x 28.
* Case of 500 rounds
$249"
Wound Ballistics Review - Journal of the International Wound Ballistics Association
Wound Ballistics Review - Journal of the International Wound Ballistics Association: "Wound Profile of the 5.7x28mm FN Cartridge (SS 190) Fired from the FN P90 Submachine Gun
Dean B. Dahlstrom, RCMP Forensic Laboratory, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Kramer D. Powley, RCMP Forensic Laboratory, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Cst. Gordon, Pope, Regina Police Service, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada"
Dean B. Dahlstrom, RCMP Forensic Laboratory, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Kramer D. Powley, RCMP Forensic Laboratory, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Cst. Gordon, Pope, Regina Police Service, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada"
Monday, September 26, 2005
The Coyote Gods Forums: New toy: .22 K-hornet semi-auto PISTOL !
Not quite accurate, but some interesting discussion and photos.
The Coyote Gods Forums: New toy: .22 K-hornet semi-auto PISTOL !
The Coyote Gods Forums: New toy: .22 K-hornet semi-auto PISTOL !
Sunday, September 25, 2005
space gun.
space gun.: "space gun.
FN FiveseveN
Designed as a companion piece to the FN P90 submachine gun, the Fiveseven is chambered in 5.7x28mm. This caliber moves a .22-caliber bullet out of the barrel at 2100 feet per second, offering rifle velocity out of a pistol. This caliber was created by FN for the new NATO PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) concept, a design specification being the ability to punch through NATO standard body armor at 150 meters.
The FiveseveN is very lightweight, has very little recoil, and holds twenty rounds in the magazine. It represents a radical new approach to personal defense weapons, and the established gun writers out there have split opinions on the 5.7x28 system. Some deride it as worthless, claiming that the 5.7x28 has the terminal ballistics of a .22 Magnum at best, and some claim the cartridge to be the best thing since the invention of the metallic cartridge.
As in all things, opinions are worth exactly what you pay for them. In the end, the street performance of the 5.7x28 will be the final word on the issue, and so far, the round has acquitted itself well. During the Japanese embassy crisis in Peru, several terrorists were eliminated through their Level III body armor, including the ring leader, who expired after a single round to the chest. Several SWAT shootings with the round have all resulted in one-shot stops. It seems that the 5.7x28 largely lives up to FN's claims.
I like this pistol because it combines low recoil and high capacity with excellent barrier and terminal performance, all in a lightweight and corrosion-resistant package. It's a whole new and interesting approach to personal weaponry, and as such deserves merit for sheer ingenuity. "
FN FiveseveN
Designed as a companion piece to the FN P90 submachine gun, the Fiveseven is chambered in 5.7x28mm. This caliber moves a .22-caliber bullet out of the barrel at 2100 feet per second, offering rifle velocity out of a pistol. This caliber was created by FN for the new NATO PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) concept, a design specification being the ability to punch through NATO standard body armor at 150 meters.
The FiveseveN is very lightweight, has very little recoil, and holds twenty rounds in the magazine. It represents a radical new approach to personal defense weapons, and the established gun writers out there have split opinions on the 5.7x28 system. Some deride it as worthless, claiming that the 5.7x28 has the terminal ballistics of a .22 Magnum at best, and some claim the cartridge to be the best thing since the invention of the metallic cartridge.
As in all things, opinions are worth exactly what you pay for them. In the end, the street performance of the 5.7x28 will be the final word on the issue, and so far, the round has acquitted itself well. During the Japanese embassy crisis in Peru, several terrorists were eliminated through their Level III body armor, including the ring leader, who expired after a single round to the chest. Several SWAT shootings with the round have all resulted in one-shot stops. It seems that the 5.7x28 largely lives up to FN's claims.
I like this pistol because it combines low recoil and high capacity with excellent barrier and terminal performance, all in a lightweight and corrosion-resistant package. It's a whole new and interesting approach to personal weaponry, and as such deserves merit for sheer ingenuity. "
Friday, September 23, 2005
WTS: Post 86 FN P90 with Suppressor $3795 *LINK* *PIC*
WTS: Post 86 FN P90 with Suppressor $3795 *LINK* *PIC*: "WTS: Post 86 FN P90 with Suppressor $3795 *LINK* *PIC*
Posted By: Josh at Clyde Armory
Date: 6/7/04 13:55
LIKE NEW FN P90 with FN Silencer (5 available). Factory installed mil-spec laser, this laser is part of the internal frame of the weapon and cannot be removed, no wires, no mounts, very rare upgrade. Safe-Semi-Full Auto trigger group. 5.7 X 28mm caliber. Subsonic ammo available. Weapons are still in the agency and available for immidiate direct transfer to your FFL/SOT. (FNXXX121, FNXXX983, FNXXX127, FNXXX250, FNXXX251)
Clyde Armory Website "
Posted By: Josh at Clyde Armory
Date: 6/7/04 13:55
LIKE NEW FN P90 with FN Silencer (5 available). Factory installed mil-spec laser, this laser is part of the internal frame of the weapon and cannot be removed, no wires, no mounts, very rare upgrade. Safe-Semi-Full Auto trigger group. 5.7 X 28mm caliber. Subsonic ammo available. Weapons are still in the agency and available for immidiate direct transfer to your FFL/SOT. (FNXXX121, FNXXX983, FNXXX127, FNXXX250, FNXXX251)
Clyde Armory Website "
EOTech Inc. | Holographic Weapons Systems
EOTech Inc. Holographic Weapons Systems: "Additional MountsVarious other mounting platforms are supported for the HK, MP5, UMP45, G36, the Sig 550, FN P90 or FAL and Remington, Benelli, and Mossberg tactical shotguns. Each of these platforms allow access to iron sights (with sight mounted), maintenance of critical cheekweld position, and achieve maximum peripheral vision for the operator."
AN OVERVIEW OF THE FN P90 SUBMACHINE by Tony L. Jones
fnp90: "AN OVERVIEW OF THE FN P90 SUBMACHINE
By Tony L. Jones
Times are changing very quickly for police agencies. Criminals today are more determined, not afraid of the judicial system, better armed, and well equipped with items such as personal body armor, radios, and protective (gas) masks. As a result, agencies are expressing the need for lightweight, compact, ambidextrous, and easy to use weapons which fire a cartridge that will be effective against the modern criminal, but not pose the liability risk of a rifle. FN Herstal took notice and developed a weapon system called the FN P90 Submachine Gun to address all of these issues.
This weapon system may be classified as a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW), which is typically a military designation, or as an entry/containment weapon useful in the law enforcement arena.
I seized the opportunity to observe, handle and fire the FN P90 at the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI) Regional Conference held in Dayton, Ohio, this past July. I readily admit the futuristic design left me somewhat skeptical; however, my skepticism dissolved after firing only a handful of ammunition. The more I fired the FN P90, the more I admired its futuristic design and unique capabilities.
I will discuss the FN P90�s unique characteristics by focusing on the following categories in order to logically discuss the weapon: ergonomics, mechanism, safety, ejection, magazine, versions, sighting system, ammunition, maintenance, and accessories.
Ergonomics: The FN P90 is very compact (the overall length is 19.7 inches; the width is only 2.2 inches; and the height, including the optical sight, is 8.3 inches). The entire weapon system only weighs 6.6 pounds with a completely loaded 50 round magazine affixed. Not only are the dimensions"
By Tony L. Jones
Times are changing very quickly for police agencies. Criminals today are more determined, not afraid of the judicial system, better armed, and well equipped with items such as personal body armor, radios, and protective (gas) masks. As a result, agencies are expressing the need for lightweight, compact, ambidextrous, and easy to use weapons which fire a cartridge that will be effective against the modern criminal, but not pose the liability risk of a rifle. FN Herstal took notice and developed a weapon system called the FN P90 Submachine Gun to address all of these issues.
This weapon system may be classified as a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW), which is typically a military designation, or as an entry/containment weapon useful in the law enforcement arena.
I seized the opportunity to observe, handle and fire the FN P90 at the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI) Regional Conference held in Dayton, Ohio, this past July. I readily admit the futuristic design left me somewhat skeptical; however, my skepticism dissolved after firing only a handful of ammunition. The more I fired the FN P90, the more I admired its futuristic design and unique capabilities.
I will discuss the FN P90�s unique characteristics by focusing on the following categories in order to logically discuss the weapon: ergonomics, mechanism, safety, ejection, magazine, versions, sighting system, ammunition, maintenance, and accessories.
Ergonomics: The FN P90 is very compact (the overall length is 19.7 inches; the width is only 2.2 inches; and the height, including the optical sight, is 8.3 inches). The entire weapon system only weighs 6.6 pounds with a completely loaded 50 round magazine affixed. Not only are the dimensions"
Wednesday, September 21, 2005
Tuesday, September 20, 2005
Army Technology - FN HERSTAL - Small Arms and Weapon Systems
Army Technology - FN HERSTAL - Small Arms and Weapon Systems: "5.7 X 28mm WEAPON SYSTEM
The 5.7 x 28mm Weapon System is based around the SS190 round which can be fired by both the P90� submachine gun and the Five-seveN� pistol. Both weapons are ergonomically designed with no protruding parts and can be field stripped without tools in a very short amount of time.
P90� SUBMACHINE GUN
With a maximum effective range of 200m and a 900rpm firing rate, this 3kg weapon is highly versatile, having both single shot and fully automatic firing modes. The P90� is fitted with an integrated optical sight that allows the user to shoot with both eyes open; this can easily be replaced with other types of sights.
FIVE-SEVEN� TACTICAL PISTOL
The Five-seveN� tactical pistol is a single action pistol with hidden hammer characterised by a short, light trigger pull for fast accurate shooting."
The 5.7 x 28mm Weapon System is based around the SS190 round which can be fired by both the P90� submachine gun and the Five-seveN� pistol. Both weapons are ergonomically designed with no protruding parts and can be field stripped without tools in a very short amount of time.
P90� SUBMACHINE GUN
With a maximum effective range of 200m and a 900rpm firing rate, this 3kg weapon is highly versatile, having both single shot and fully automatic firing modes. The P90� is fitted with an integrated optical sight that allows the user to shoot with both eyes open; this can easily be replaced with other types of sights.
FIVE-SEVEN� TACTICAL PISTOL
The Five-seveN� tactical pistol is a single action pistol with hidden hammer characterised by a short, light trigger pull for fast accurate shooting."
Monday, September 19, 2005
Discussion Forum: Oslo: Milit�r Operativ Gruppe Informerer:
Discussion Forum: Oslo: Milit�r Operativ Gruppe Informerer:: "Noe av det mest spesielle vi fikk anledning til � pr�ve var H&K PDW/MP7 i kaliber 4,6x 30 og
FN P90 i kaliber 5,7 x 28. "
FN P90 i kaliber 5,7 x 28. "
Sunday, September 18, 2005
FN Five-seveN Pistols & Ammo at Cal's Sporting Armory Online Store
I'm pretty sure I've already noted Cal's but here they are again.
FN Five-seveN Pistols & Ammo at Cal's Sporting Armory Online Store
FN Five-seveN Pistols & Ammo at Cal's Sporting Armory Online Store
Friday, September 16, 2005
Taser Ordering System
Taser Ordering System: "TASER devices are not considered firearms. They can be legally carried (concealed or open) without permit required in 43 states."
Thursday, September 15, 2005
Monday, September 12, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - H110 horror story
[Editor's note:
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
Originally posted by snw19.
FN FiveseveN Forums - H110 horror story: "I first started to reload for this caliber for the following reasons:
1) Only available round (I can get) for this caliber was the SS192 that has no expansion for hunting and is worthless as a defensive round. A friend of mine shot a Havelina with one and the exit wound (after he killed it with his .41 mag) from the SS192 was barely larger than the entry, didn�t even make it jump.
2) Ammo was becoming less and less available, prices were doubling every week. Not very cost effective if I wanted to become proficient with it.
3) The release of the SS196 kept on getting pushed further back. Besides, what can I do with a 40gr bullet at 1600 fps that my .357 and its 125gr bullet traveling 1450 fps or a 115gr 9mm going 1350 fps isn�t going to do better?
Since there was no data available anywhere that I could find, I grabbed my book and started looking at cartridges that were �close� to this one. Published info that I had found was that ��powder charge of 6.5 grs, using a very small-grained ball powder propels the 31gr bullet at a measured 2329 fps from the P-90�s 9.8� barrel.� Okay. Some of the best velocity vs pressure for the 22 Hornet and 218 Bee use Hodgdon H110. Hey, I have some of that I used to use in my .357 and .44. Wow, that�s the smallest grain ball powder I have ever seen. I�ll try it�
Since 10gr of H110 push a 40 grain bullet 2570 fps out of a 22 Hornet and the SS196s are supposed to go 1600fps, I loaded two rounds each of 5.75, 6.0, 6.25, and 6.5 grains. Grabbed the chrono and a friend to catch the brass for me (only had 99 then) and went out. First round at 5.75 fired showed 840 fps, case flopped out like a fish. There was also some pretty heavy recoil, primer fine. Second round fired showed error, case barely made "
[Editor's note: (just in case you missed the same verbiage at the top)
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
Originally posted by snw19.
FN FiveseveN Forums - H110 horror story: "I first started to reload for this caliber for the following reasons:
1) Only available round (I can get) for this caliber was the SS192 that has no expansion for hunting and is worthless as a defensive round. A friend of mine shot a Havelina with one and the exit wound (after he killed it with his .41 mag) from the SS192 was barely larger than the entry, didn�t even make it jump.
2) Ammo was becoming less and less available, prices were doubling every week. Not very cost effective if I wanted to become proficient with it.
3) The release of the SS196 kept on getting pushed further back. Besides, what can I do with a 40gr bullet at 1600 fps that my .357 and its 125gr bullet traveling 1450 fps or a 115gr 9mm going 1350 fps isn�t going to do better?
Since there was no data available anywhere that I could find, I grabbed my book and started looking at cartridges that were �close� to this one. Published info that I had found was that ��powder charge of 6.5 grs, using a very small-grained ball powder propels the 31gr bullet at a measured 2329 fps from the P-90�s 9.8� barrel.� Okay. Some of the best velocity vs pressure for the 22 Hornet and 218 Bee use Hodgdon H110. Hey, I have some of that I used to use in my .357 and .44. Wow, that�s the smallest grain ball powder I have ever seen. I�ll try it�
Since 10gr of H110 push a 40 grain bullet 2570 fps out of a 22 Hornet and the SS196s are supposed to go 1600fps, I loaded two rounds each of 5.75, 6.0, 6.25, and 6.5 grains. Grabbed the chrono and a friend to catch the brass for me (only had 99 then) and went out. First round at 5.75 fired showed 840 fps, case flopped out like a fish. There was also some pretty heavy recoil, primer fine. Second round fired showed error, case barely made "
[Editor's note: (just in case you missed the same verbiage at the top)
I've preserved this post for posterity. The load data contained here is KNOWN to be dangerous and will PROBABLY BREAK YOUR GUN or DAMAGE YOU. DO NOT USE THE LOAD DATA CONTAINED in THIS POST.]
MidwayUSA - Sierra GameKing Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Box of 100
MidwayUSA - Sierra GameKing Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Box of 100: "Sierra GameKing Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Box of 100
GameKing Bullets are designed for hunting at long range, where their extra margin of performance can make the critical difference. GameKing bullets feature a boat tail design to bring hunters the ballistic advantage normally found with match target bullets. The streamlined tapered base of the boat tail greatly reduces drag, which results in higher retained velocity, greater striking energy, a flatter trajectory and less wind drift than comparable flat base bullets."
GameKing Bullets are designed for hunting at long range, where their extra margin of performance can make the critical difference. GameKing bullets feature a boat tail design to bring hunters the ballistic advantage normally found with match target bullets. The streamlined tapered base of the boat tail greatly reduces drag, which results in higher retained velocity, greater striking energy, a flatter trajectory and less wind drift than comparable flat base bullets."
SU-16D Rifle
SU-16D Rifle: "KEL-TEC 5.56 mm SU-16D PERSONAL SECURITY RIFLE
The SU-16D is currently available in two models D9 and D12. The SU-16D12 has a longer barrel for higher velocity and can also accept a standard M-9 bayonet, or more appropriately, our new light weight, folding bayonet.
The SU-16D is a gas operated, semi-automatic rifle in 5.56 mm NATO caliber. The barrel and chamber are chrome lined. The 'Delta' model rifles are intended as a personal weapon for non-infantry military personnel, special operations, SWAT law enforcement, and civilians in high risk environments. The SU-16D is especially suited for low intensity urban combat such as ambush response from inside a vehicle. or fighting in confined spaces.
The concept of replacing the pistol with a carbine in military units is not new. Nowadays, the intermediate power 5.56 mm round and modern polymer materials make it possible to achieve a weapon of a size and weight only marginally larger than a service pistol.
The SU-16D9 is less than 20� folded, weighs 4.7 lbs loaded with 30 rounds and has a practical range of over 300 m.
The SU-16D has a conventional gas piston operation and utilizes the proven M-16 breech locking system. The reciprocating bolt handle also functions as a case deflector. The rear sight is zeroed at 250 m and adjustable for windage. The front sight is of M-16 type. Two integrated Picatinny rails will accept a multitude of standard accessories. Except for barrel, bolt, sights and mechanism the SU-16 is made entirely of high impact, glass fiber reinforced polymer."
The SU-16D is currently available in two models D9 and D12. The SU-16D12 has a longer barrel for higher velocity and can also accept a standard M-9 bayonet, or more appropriately, our new light weight, folding bayonet.
The SU-16D is a gas operated, semi-automatic rifle in 5.56 mm NATO caliber. The barrel and chamber are chrome lined. The 'Delta' model rifles are intended as a personal weapon for non-infantry military personnel, special operations, SWAT law enforcement, and civilians in high risk environments. The SU-16D is especially suited for low intensity urban combat such as ambush response from inside a vehicle. or fighting in confined spaces.
The concept of replacing the pistol with a carbine in military units is not new. Nowadays, the intermediate power 5.56 mm round and modern polymer materials make it possible to achieve a weapon of a size and weight only marginally larger than a service pistol.
The SU-16D9 is less than 20� folded, weighs 4.7 lbs loaded with 30 rounds and has a practical range of over 300 m.
The SU-16D has a conventional gas piston operation and utilizes the proven M-16 breech locking system. The reciprocating bolt handle also functions as a case deflector. The rear sight is zeroed at 250 m and adjustable for windage. The front sight is of M-16 type. Two integrated Picatinny rails will accept a multitude of standard accessories. Except for barrel, bolt, sights and mechanism the SU-16 is made entirely of high impact, glass fiber reinforced polymer."
Friday, September 09, 2005
Thursday, September 08, 2005
Document Title
Document Title: "FN FIVE-SEVEN USG
De FN Five-Seven USG is een product van FN USA. Deze FN wordt geleverd in het kaliber 5,7x28mm en is voorzien van een Polymeer frame. Tevens is zij voorzien van een geintergreerde accessoire rail en omkeerbare magazijn uitwerpknop. De lengte bedraagt 208 mm met een looplengte van 122,4 mm. In tegestelling tot hetgeen verwacht zou worden betreft het een single action pistool en breekt men ( terecht) met de trend om uitsluitend double action wapens te produceren. Het feit dat het een ontwikkeling uit de Amerikaanse vestiging van FN betreft zou kunnen betekenen dat het model uitsluitend in Amerika zal worden verkocht, echter de kaliber aanduiding in mm en de magazijn capaciteit van 20 patronen spreekt dat mogelijk weer tegen. "
De FN Five-Seven USG is een product van FN USA. Deze FN wordt geleverd in het kaliber 5,7x28mm en is voorzien van een Polymeer frame. Tevens is zij voorzien van een geintergreerde accessoire rail en omkeerbare magazijn uitwerpknop. De lengte bedraagt 208 mm met een looplengte van 122,4 mm. In tegestelling tot hetgeen verwacht zou worden betreft het een single action pistool en breekt men ( terecht) met de trend om uitsluitend double action wapens te produceren. Het feit dat het een ontwikkeling uit de Amerikaanse vestiging van FN betreft zou kunnen betekenen dat het model uitsluitend in Amerika zal worden verkocht, echter de kaliber aanduiding in mm en de magazijn capaciteit van 20 patronen spreekt dat mogelijk weer tegen. "
Shooting Industry Magazine
Shooting Industry Magazine: "
FNH USA
FN Five-Seven USG
FNH USA�s Five-Seven USG semi-auto in 5.7x28mm features a polymer frame, integrated accessory rail, reversible magazine release and textured grip. With a 4.82-inch barrel, it measures 8.2 inches overall length and weighs 1.36 pounds. The single-action pistol comes with a 20-round magazine.
FNH USA Inc.
(703) 288-1292
www.fnhusa.com"
FNH USA
FN Five-Seven USG
FNH USA�s Five-Seven USG semi-auto in 5.7x28mm features a polymer frame, integrated accessory rail, reversible magazine release and textured grip. With a 4.82-inch barrel, it measures 8.2 inches overall length and weighs 1.36 pounds. The single-action pistol comes with a 20-round magazine.
FNH USA Inc.
(703) 288-1292
www.fnhusa.com"
page2i
page2i: "And now for something a whole lot different...
FN FiveSeven
The next pistol to be tested around here is the new FN FiveSeven 'USG' model. This pistol holds 20 rounds of 5.7 x 28 mm. It has a light rail and adjustable sights. The safety is in an unusual spot, above the trigger as shown in the picture above, and the magzine release can be moved to the other side of the gun. Since slides should be released by grasping the slide with the support side hand, pulling back and releasing, it doesn't much matter which side the built-in slide release is on.
Although ammunition is hard to find, and expensive, the 5.7 offers some unique attributes: high magazine capacity, low recoil, good sights, good ergonomics, and ease of operation (different from ergonomics...). The 5.7 has a reputation among those politicians with low IQs and reading skills as being a dangerous, because it will fire a round that can go through body armor. It is a military pistol that was designed to have this capability. Those of us who shoot as a hobby have no interest in this capability, but rather are intrigued by the flat shooting characteristics of the round. A pistol that can hit at 100 or even 200 meters is interesting, because most pistols don't do well at longer ranges. For personal defense, the 5.7 caliber may or may not be a good idea. We know that all pistol rounds are weak when compared with shotguns and rifles, and the 5.7 will not be an exception to that general rule. On the other hand, bullet placement is a key to an effective defensive shooting capability. The 5.7 should be very good in that respect, and a 20 round magazine and low recoil offers the chance to place several bullets in the same time another heavier caliber pistol's front sight would be coming back on target.
There is a discussion forum about the FiveSeven. Ha"
FN FiveSeven
The next pistol to be tested around here is the new FN FiveSeven 'USG' model. This pistol holds 20 rounds of 5.7 x 28 mm. It has a light rail and adjustable sights. The safety is in an unusual spot, above the trigger as shown in the picture above, and the magzine release can be moved to the other side of the gun. Since slides should be released by grasping the slide with the support side hand, pulling back and releasing, it doesn't much matter which side the built-in slide release is on.
Although ammunition is hard to find, and expensive, the 5.7 offers some unique attributes: high magazine capacity, low recoil, good sights, good ergonomics, and ease of operation (different from ergonomics...). The 5.7 has a reputation among those politicians with low IQs and reading skills as being a dangerous, because it will fire a round that can go through body armor. It is a military pistol that was designed to have this capability. Those of us who shoot as a hobby have no interest in this capability, but rather are intrigued by the flat shooting characteristics of the round. A pistol that can hit at 100 or even 200 meters is interesting, because most pistols don't do well at longer ranges. For personal defense, the 5.7 caliber may or may not be a good idea. We know that all pistol rounds are weak when compared with shotguns and rifles, and the 5.7 will not be an exception to that general rule. On the other hand, bullet placement is a key to an effective defensive shooting capability. The 5.7 should be very good in that respect, and a 20 round magazine and low recoil offers the chance to place several bullets in the same time another heavier caliber pistol's front sight would be coming back on target.
There is a discussion forum about the FiveSeven. Ha"
fnp90 from Police and Security News
fnp90: "FN Herstal USA, Inc.
There is one new player in the game and that is the firm of FN Herstal, doing business in the USA as FN Herstal USA, Inc. If this name sounds familiar, it�s because this company has been building the Browning designed High Power since its inception in 1935. FNH has spent the last three years surveying the U.S. law enforcement market and is now ready to deliver its new P90 Bullpup design submachine pistol, as well as a new handgun, the Five-Seven Pistol, with a capacity of 20 rounds. Both are chambered for a new cartridge as well � the 5.7 x 28mm round.
As to the efficacy of the new cartridge, FNH officials point out that, in the SMG, the bullet penetrates 48 layers (!!) of Kevlar� at 100 meters. (The ammunition is restricted to law enforcement sales only.) FN also has double-action-only, full-size and compact versions of the High Power, now only offered in 9mm. The FNH police shotgun is a pump action 12-gauge with a three inch chamber, blade front and open elevation adjustable rear sight, synthetic furniture and a parkerized type finish. FNH has also gone into the law enforcement training business, allying themselves with Crucible, a training corporation with an 88 acre facility in Northen Virginia. "
There is one new player in the game and that is the firm of FN Herstal, doing business in the USA as FN Herstal USA, Inc. If this name sounds familiar, it�s because this company has been building the Browning designed High Power since its inception in 1935. FNH has spent the last three years surveying the U.S. law enforcement market and is now ready to deliver its new P90 Bullpup design submachine pistol, as well as a new handgun, the Five-Seven Pistol, with a capacity of 20 rounds. Both are chambered for a new cartridge as well � the 5.7 x 28mm round.
As to the efficacy of the new cartridge, FNH officials point out that, in the SMG, the bullet penetrates 48 layers (!!) of Kevlar� at 100 meters. (The ammunition is restricted to law enforcement sales only.) FN also has double-action-only, full-size and compact versions of the High Power, now only offered in 9mm. The FNH police shotgun is a pump action 12-gauge with a three inch chamber, blade front and open elevation adjustable rear sight, synthetic furniture and a parkerized type finish. FNH has also gone into the law enforcement training business, allying themselves with Crucible, a training corporation with an 88 acre facility in Northen Virginia. "
Wednesday, September 07, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - Problem with ejecting case or cycling...
Rnelson11's notes...
FN FiveseveN Forums - Problem with ejecting case or cycling...: "I've been off work a couple of days so I've spent a lot of time trying to address this problem. I started a new tread because I have a bit of new information.
First, I've had a few cases that extended out of the barrel further than the factory rounds but if I lube them well they are almost exactly the same as factory (.128'-.130'). I had one that was .164' and the breech would not fully close so the firing pin only slightly marked it. When this happens the slide sticks back about 1/16' and the round does not fire. But let me also say that an extended shoulder is not the only thing that will cause this (read on).
I had 20 rounds loaded today (10-35gr V-Max w/6.6gr of HS-6 and 10-40gr V-Maxw/6.7gr of HS-6) so I rode down to the woods to test them. I shot 5 of the 35 gr bullets and only 2 ejected so I saved the rest to check when I got back to the house. I shot 9 of the 40 gr bullets (the primer fell out of one) and only about half ejected. These cases have been fired about 8 times using a lot of different powder weights.
When I got to the house I started checking the rounds and noticed that the rims were beaten up pretty bad. I checked them with my micrometer and they were as much as .313' diameter, the factory rounds were .304'. I assume they flattened and pancaked from slamming against the breech when fired. I also noticed several with deep cuts which I assume came from being ejected. I spun the remaining 5 on a file and got then back to about .304'-.305' and de-burred the top and bottom of the rim. I went back to the woods and all 5 rounds fired and ejected.
I think that the damaged and 'pancaked' rims are preventing the ejection lever (hook) from catching the rim when trying to jerk the casing out at high speed. I say t"
FN FiveseveN Forums - Problem with ejecting case or cycling...: "I've been off work a couple of days so I've spent a lot of time trying to address this problem. I started a new tread because I have a bit of new information.
First, I've had a few cases that extended out of the barrel further than the factory rounds but if I lube them well they are almost exactly the same as factory (.128'-.130'). I had one that was .164' and the breech would not fully close so the firing pin only slightly marked it. When this happens the slide sticks back about 1/16' and the round does not fire. But let me also say that an extended shoulder is not the only thing that will cause this (read on).
I had 20 rounds loaded today (10-35gr V-Max w/6.6gr of HS-6 and 10-40gr V-Maxw/6.7gr of HS-6) so I rode down to the woods to test them. I shot 5 of the 35 gr bullets and only 2 ejected so I saved the rest to check when I got back to the house. I shot 9 of the 40 gr bullets (the primer fell out of one) and only about half ejected. These cases have been fired about 8 times using a lot of different powder weights.
When I got to the house I started checking the rounds and noticed that the rims were beaten up pretty bad. I checked them with my micrometer and they were as much as .313' diameter, the factory rounds were .304'. I assume they flattened and pancaked from slamming against the breech when fired. I also noticed several with deep cuts which I assume came from being ejected. I spun the remaining 5 on a file and got then back to about .304'-.305' and de-burred the top and bottom of the rim. I went back to the woods and all 5 rounds fired and ejected.
I think that the damaged and 'pancaked' rims are preventing the ejection lever (hook) from catching the rim when trying to jerk the casing out at high speed. I say t"
FN FiveseveN Forums - Heads up ss196 in stock
This was WRT the SS196 vs SS192/SS195
FN FiveseveN Forums - Heads up ss196 in stock: "21 Clicks up
Just crank in 21 clicks up to the rear sight and she will be good to go until you find better ammo. No need to be shy about moving the rear sight."
FN FiveseveN Forums - Heads up ss196 in stock: "21 Clicks up
Just crank in 21 clicks up to the rear sight and she will be good to go until you find better ammo. No need to be shy about moving the rear sight."
Saturday, September 03, 2005
Arizona Ear Protection
Arizona Ear Protection: "Shooting Products.
In the sport of shooting, hearing protection is vital. But the ability to still hear outside noise is also a very important safety aspect. With the many products available from Arizona Ear Protection Inc., we offer you the ability to achieve superb levels of hearing protection and still hear clearly all that is happening around you. This is an excellent feature for both sport shooters and hunters alike. No longer do you have to continuously put on your hearing protection, only to then have to remove it again to speak to someone next to you. Our hearing protection products allow you to wear them and forget them. You'll be able to hold a normal conversation and be assured that your hearing is protected
should you or someone else need to fire a shot.
Electronic Hearing Protection.
Our wide range of electronic protection covers all aspects of shooting and bow hunting, and we have several different applications to suit many varying circumstances. All of our products combine superb levels of hearing protection, along with very high levels of comfort. This allows the user to wear our products for long periods of time without risk of damage to your hearing or your ear canal"
In the sport of shooting, hearing protection is vital. But the ability to still hear outside noise is also a very important safety aspect. With the many products available from Arizona Ear Protection Inc., we offer you the ability to achieve superb levels of hearing protection and still hear clearly all that is happening around you. This is an excellent feature for both sport shooters and hunters alike. No longer do you have to continuously put on your hearing protection, only to then have to remove it again to speak to someone next to you. Our hearing protection products allow you to wear them and forget them. You'll be able to hold a normal conversation and be assured that your hearing is protected
should you or someone else need to fire a shot.
Electronic Hearing Protection.
Our wide range of electronic protection covers all aspects of shooting and bow hunting, and we have several different applications to suit many varying circumstances. All of our products combine superb levels of hearing protection, along with very high levels of comfort. This allows the user to wear our products for long periods of time without risk of damage to your hearing or your ear canal"
Friday, September 02, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - An Unconventional Pistol
FN FiveseveN Forums - An Unconventional Pistol: An Unconventional Pistol
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Fabrique Nationale, a firearm developer located in Herstal, Belgium, has been designing guns for over a century and supplying them to nearly every country in the world. One of their latest offerings, the 5.7mm Five-seveN pistol, is remarkably different than anything else of its kind. The most significant advantages incorporated in the Five-seveN are the ammunition, accuracy, weight, and size. The Five-seveN uses the 5.7x28mm ammunition designed by FN for their P-90 sub-machine gun. This means that the Five-seveN’s bullet is 5.7 millimeters thick and the shell is 28 millimeters long. Conventional pistols usually use 9x19mm or 10x21mm bullets that are effective for stopping an individual in ordinary circumstances. However, if that individual is wearing even a light Kevlar vest, these bullets will be stopped with little damage inflicted, and body armor is currently in use with over 50% of the world’s armed forces. For law enforcement officers, the ability to pierce body armor is also needed, as it is worn by an increasing number of criminals. The FN 5.7mm bullet when used in the Five-seveN pistol is perfectly fitted to these needs. It will pierce a US Army vest at 300 meters range, and a US Army helmet at 240 meters range*. Despite these figures, the 5.7mm round weighs half as much as a 9mm round and produces roughly half the recoil. The 5.7mm round of the Five-seveN has been designed to effectively incapacitate the target, but there has been controversy from skeptics over whether it is capable. Conventional hollow-point bullets rely on expansion to create a large wound, but the 5.7mm is made to hit the target, travel a few inches, then turn point upwards while inside the target and continue traveling in this manner. This means that the wound it creates would be as tall as the length of the projectile—a little over twenty-one millimeters or nearly one inch. The greatest argument in favor of the Five-seveN’s wounding ability is its performance in shootings. Anyone shot with a 5.7mm bullet has died immediately. Currently there have been over a dozen shootings with the 5.7x28mm round. Skeptics argue that this isn't a large enough sample to make any conclusions. The negligible recoil produced by the 5.7x28mm makes the Five-seveN remarkably accurate out to a range of 100 meters. The firer also has many chances to hit the target because the capacity of the weapon is also a vast improvement over other pistols. It holds twenty rounds of ammunition. But despite this capacity and the unusual length of its bullets, the Five-seveN is an incredibly light pistol, weighing 1.6 pounds loaded—only 70% as much as other plastic pistols and 50% as much as metal pistols. The Five-seveN is also reasonably compact, being the same size as comparable pistols that hold half as many cartridges of shorter length! It can be seen that the advantages incorporated in the FN Five-seveN make it an effective, if unusual, pistol.
---Written by DML, 09/02/05
* These figures come from FN's FNMI website.
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Fabrique Nationale, a firearm developer located in Herstal, Belgium, has been designing guns for over a century and supplying them to nearly every country in the world. One of their latest offerings, the 5.7mm Five-seveN pistol, is remarkably different than anything else of its kind. The most significant advantages incorporated in the Five-seveN are the ammunition, accuracy, weight, and size. The Five-seveN uses the 5.7x28mm ammunition designed by FN for their P-90 sub-machine gun. This means that the Five-seveN’s bullet is 5.7 millimeters thick and the shell is 28 millimeters long. Conventional pistols usually use 9x19mm or 10x21mm bullets that are effective for stopping an individual in ordinary circumstances. However, if that individual is wearing even a light Kevlar vest, these bullets will be stopped with little damage inflicted, and body armor is currently in use with over 50% of the world’s armed forces. For law enforcement officers, the ability to pierce body armor is also needed, as it is worn by an increasing number of criminals. The FN 5.7mm bullet when used in the Five-seveN pistol is perfectly fitted to these needs. It will pierce a US Army vest at 300 meters range, and a US Army helmet at 240 meters range*. Despite these figures, the 5.7mm round weighs half as much as a 9mm round and produces roughly half the recoil. The 5.7mm round of the Five-seveN has been designed to effectively incapacitate the target, but there has been controversy from skeptics over whether it is capable. Conventional hollow-point bullets rely on expansion to create a large wound, but the 5.7mm is made to hit the target, travel a few inches, then turn point upwards while inside the target and continue traveling in this manner. This means that the wound it creates would be as tall as the length of the projectile—a little over twenty-one millimeters or nearly one inch. The greatest argument in favor of the Five-seveN’s wounding ability is its performance in shootings. Anyone shot with a 5.7mm bullet has died immediately. Currently there have been over a dozen shootings with the 5.7x28mm round. Skeptics argue that this isn't a large enough sample to make any conclusions. The negligible recoil produced by the 5.7x28mm makes the Five-seveN remarkably accurate out to a range of 100 meters. The firer also has many chances to hit the target because the capacity of the weapon is also a vast improvement over other pistols. It holds twenty rounds of ammunition. But despite this capacity and the unusual length of its bullets, the Five-seveN is an incredibly light pistol, weighing 1.6 pounds loaded—only 70% as much as other plastic pistols and 50% as much as metal pistols. The Five-seveN is also reasonably compact, being the same size as comparable pistols that hold half as many cartridges of shorter length! It can be seen that the advantages incorporated in the FN Five-seveN make it an effective, if unusual, pistol.
---Written by DML, 09/02/05
* These figures come from FN's FNMI website.
Thursday, September 01, 2005
FN FiveseveN Forums - Stargate sling for the P90
FN FiveseveN Forums - Stargate sling for the P90: "Well, for those of you that want an opinion of how the sling works.. I use a P90 when I play airsoft, and I do use the P90 sling. Where I play there are lots of mountains, hills, river beds, and of course the occasional baracades.
I can tell you that carrying the P90 with this sling is very useful.
#1 - Since the weight is distributed around my whole body, the gun never becomes heavy, or the sling never rubs against my neck.
#2 - Since the weapon is in front of my body, I can bring it up to a shooting position quite easily, or let it drop when not using it.
If you guys have any other questions.. I will be more than happy to answer them.
Docfate"
I can tell you that carrying the P90 with this sling is very useful.
#1 - Since the weight is distributed around my whole body, the gun never becomes heavy, or the sling never rubs against my neck.
#2 - Since the weapon is in front of my body, I can bring it up to a shooting position quite easily, or let it drop when not using it.
If you guys have any other questions.. I will be more than happy to answer them.
Docfate"
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