5.7x28mm Ammo

There is no "AP"

Posted By: CW
Date: 9/7/04 11:14

In Response To: Is there ammo other than AP? (pmf)

The ammo that can slice through Kevlar is no designated as AP. It is called Ball ammo. The design is very interesting. It is FMJ and the front portion of the innards is steele. The rear portion of the round is aluminum. This causes the round to penetrate Kevlar, but the mass is unbalanced so it tumbles once it enters flesh. This offers the best of both worlds, penetration but not pass-through. Apparently, most of these rounds will not exit a body and are safe to shoot in a crowded area. Not bad for a pistol round with a muzzle velocity of over 2000 fps!

Unfortunately, the ball rounds are LEO. What you can buy is the hollow point rounds. The portion of the point that is hollow is extremely small; you have to look really close to even see it. But that is enough to prevent Kevlar penetration and so it isn't a "cop killer" and therefore is available to the public. I pay a little over 30 cents a round.

The Five Seven pistol was supposed to be LEO and you will find a letter in the box asking you to fill in your agency info and send in the stamped envelope, but most dealers are selling it to anyone. List price is $999 and the street price is $799. Worth every penny.

Ammo

Posted By: CW
Date: 9/7/04 18:52

In Response To: Thanks, and one more question (pmf)

Yes, someone posted here that you can get reloading dies for it. I buy the ammo by the case at http://www.arizonagunrunners.net/Products/FNMfng/Five-seveN/five-seven.html

A case of 2100 rounds runs $700 so that is 33 cents a round.

The HP rounds don't penetrate Kevlar so there is no reason to regulate them.

Re: Ammo

Posted By: Robert Silvers
Date: 9/8/04 16:36

In Response To: Ammo (CW)

The HP rounds *do* penetrate Kevlar, but that is no need to regulate them.

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=197018

Ammo is not regulated by what it can penetrate -- if that were true, .30-06 would be banned because it could penetrate a lot. Performance-standards is what the anti-gun people want to impose, but the current standard is how the bullet is constructed. It needs to have a solid core of certain metals to be "AP."