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Wednesday, September 29, 2004
5.7x28mm Ammo
There is no "AP"
Posted By: CW
Date: 9/7/04 11:14
In Response To: Is there ammo other than AP? (pmf)
The ammo that can slice through Kevlar is no designated as AP. It is called Ball ammo. The design is very interesting. It is FMJ and the front portion of the innards is steele. The rear portion of the round is aluminum. This causes the round to penetrate Kevlar, but the mass is unbalanced so it tumbles once it enters flesh. This offers the best of both worlds, penetration but not pass-through. Apparently, most of these rounds will not exit a body and are safe to shoot in a crowded area. Not bad for a pistol round with a muzzle velocity of over 2000 fps!
Unfortunately, the ball rounds are LEO. What you can buy is the hollow point rounds. The portion of the point that is hollow is extremely small; you have to look really close to even see it. But that is enough to prevent Kevlar penetration and so it isn't a "cop killer" and therefore is available to the public. I pay a little over 30 cents a round.
The Five Seven pistol was supposed to be LEO and you will find a letter in the box asking you to fill in your agency info and send in the stamped envelope, but most dealers are selling it to anyone. List price is $999 and the street price is $799. Worth every penny.
Ammo
Posted By: CW
Date: 9/7/04 18:52
In Response To: Thanks, and one more question (pmf)
Yes, someone posted here that you can get reloading dies for it. I buy the ammo by the case at http://www.arizonagunrunners.net/Products/FNMfng/Five-seveN/five-seven.html
A case of 2100 rounds runs $700 so that is 33 cents a round.
The HP rounds don't penetrate Kevlar so there is no reason to regulate them.
Re: Ammo
Posted By: Robert Silvers
Date: 9/8/04 16:36
In Response To: Ammo (CW)
The HP rounds *do* penetrate Kevlar, but that is no need to regulate them.
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=197018
Ammo is not regulated by what it can penetrate -- if that were true, .30-06 would be banned because it could penetrate a lot. Performance-standards is what the anti-gun people want to impose, but the current standard is how the bullet is constructed. It needs to have a solid core of certain metals to be "AP."
Posted By: CW
Date: 9/7/04 11:14
In Response To: Is there ammo other than AP? (pmf)
The ammo that can slice through Kevlar is no designated as AP. It is called Ball ammo. The design is very interesting. It is FMJ and the front portion of the innards is steele. The rear portion of the round is aluminum. This causes the round to penetrate Kevlar, but the mass is unbalanced so it tumbles once it enters flesh. This offers the best of both worlds, penetration but not pass-through. Apparently, most of these rounds will not exit a body and are safe to shoot in a crowded area. Not bad for a pistol round with a muzzle velocity of over 2000 fps!
Unfortunately, the ball rounds are LEO. What you can buy is the hollow point rounds. The portion of the point that is hollow is extremely small; you have to look really close to even see it. But that is enough to prevent Kevlar penetration and so it isn't a "cop killer" and therefore is available to the public. I pay a little over 30 cents a round.
The Five Seven pistol was supposed to be LEO and you will find a letter in the box asking you to fill in your agency info and send in the stamped envelope, but most dealers are selling it to anyone. List price is $999 and the street price is $799. Worth every penny.
Ammo
Posted By: CW
Date: 9/7/04 18:52
In Response To: Thanks, and one more question (pmf)
Yes, someone posted here that you can get reloading dies for it. I buy the ammo by the case at http://www.arizonagunrunners.net/Products/FNMfng/Five-seveN/five-seven.html
A case of 2100 rounds runs $700 so that is 33 cents a round.
The HP rounds don't penetrate Kevlar so there is no reason to regulate them.
Re: Ammo
Posted By: Robert Silvers
Date: 9/8/04 16:36
In Response To: Ammo (CW)
The HP rounds *do* penetrate Kevlar, but that is no need to regulate them.
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=197018
Ammo is not regulated by what it can penetrate -- if that were true, .30-06 would be banned because it could penetrate a lot. Performance-standards is what the anti-gun people want to impose, but the current standard is how the bullet is constructed. It needs to have a solid core of certain metals to be "AP."
Rumors (Shotgun News) - Civilian P90
There is a write-up on FN PDW's(including the P90) in the Sept. 6th issue of shotgun news....page 12
FN P90
Posted By: Dwane
Date: 9/6/04 10:41
I was reading the latest Shotun News and the had an article about FN and their new weaps, the Five Seven and the P90.
At the end of the article they mentioned there might be some plans to make a semi-auto P90.
My question, admitting my embarrasing lack of sofidtication regarding the Import ban and such, is could this ever find its way in to the US?
Does FN have any lants here in the states?
Could they manufacture enough US parts to get over the parts limit?
It would have to have a 16 barrel, and meet some minimum overall length, right (as its a bullpup design).
BTW, I saw an airsoft P90 and bought it for shits and grins, the ergonomics are nowhere as near as strange as I thought they might be, It fits very compactly to the body, and seems that it would be very positively controlled and quick in CQB.
Cool looking black toy. Wish we could get the full thing...
From: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=176451
Armed_Scientist
Member
Joined :: March 2001
Post Number :: 1286
OH, USA
From: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=176451&page=4
From p99guy:
Be sure and pick up the sept.6 issue of shotgun news thats on the shelves now...it has a write up on the P90/FN57 also alludes to FN is working on a civy P90(a 16"barrel semi auto carbine P90) for the U.S. market as well as a ultra short action bolt gun in5.7x28mm
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FN P90
Posted By: Dwane
Date: 9/6/04 10:41
I was reading the latest Shotun News and the had an article about FN and their new weaps, the Five Seven and the P90.
At the end of the article they mentioned there might be some plans to make a semi-auto P90.
My question, admitting my embarrasing lack of sofidtication regarding the Import ban and such, is could this ever find its way in to the US?
Does FN have any lants here in the states?
Could they manufacture enough US parts to get over the parts limit?
It would have to have a 16 barrel, and meet some minimum overall length, right (as its a bullpup design).
BTW, I saw an airsoft P90 and bought it for shits and grins, the ergonomics are nowhere as near as strange as I thought they might be, It fits very compactly to the body, and seems that it would be very positively controlled and quick in CQB.
Cool looking black toy. Wish we could get the full thing...
From: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=176451
Armed_Scientist
Member
Joined :: March 2001
Post Number :: 1286
OH, USA
Originally Posted By WillMunny: I agree that a civvie P-90 would be awesome. Anyone have any more info on it, or is it just a rumor? Will |
From: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=176451&page=4
From p99guy:
Be sure and pick up the sept.6 issue of shotgun news thats on the shelves now...it has a write up on the P90/FN57 also alludes to FN is working on a civy P90(a 16"barrel semi auto carbine P90) for the U.S. market as well as a ultra short action bolt gun in5.7x28mm
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